RSA Chase 2020

[TimRiggins]

JOE TIZZARD ON COPPERHEAD:

“No decision yet where Copperhead runs but Dad and I both leaning towards RSA on soft. Not easy to make a decision and O’Connor and Codd have been on the phone re NH Chase ride.”

Give it to Derek, then the Sunday before Cheltenham ring him up and say actually the Coddfather is going to be riding now. Sorry about that.

[Saxon Warrior]

Mind-boggling that the Tizz’s are even thinking about offing the Grade 1 worth around £25K more, to think about going for a Grade 2, when he is good enough to be fav for the Grade 1 if/when that race is confirmed.

[Istabraq]

Looks a fair renewal of the RSA though SW.
NH Chase a much classier race that it used to be and they used this route for Native River, could be they see this as the better route for his long term future...

[charlie]

Mind-boggling that the Tizz’s are even thinking about offing the Grade 1 worth around £25K more, to think about going for a Grade 2, when he is good enough to be fav for the Grade 1 if/when that race is confirmed.

Lots of owners/trainers just want winners at Cheltenham regardless of race. Which race do you think is more winnable for Copperhead?

[Pendil]

Lots of owners/trainers just want winners at Cheltenham regardless of race. Which race do you think is more winnable for Copperhead?

Might depend where Champagne Classic runs

[KingSprinterSacre]

Nicholls: "Even if Master Tommytucker wins Pendil, he’ll probably go Aintree."

From tonights preview

[Saxon Warrior]

Lots of owners/trainers just want winners at Cheltenham regardless of race. Which race do you think is more winnable for Copperhead?

I think he could win either one, so go to the Grade 1.

[charlie]

I think he could win either one, so go to the Grade 1.

You dodged my question

[Faugheen_Machine]

Lots of owners/trainers just want winners at Cheltenham regardless of race. Which race do you think is more winnable for Copperhead?

The grade 2 is more winnable. It wouldn't surprise me if he went off as favourite if he lined up in the NH chase.

[Saxon Warrior]

You dodged my question

If you can only run one, run in the best one.

If you are an Olympic sprinter, that would be fav for both the 100M and the 200M but the programme of heats/semis meant you could only run in one it would be the 100M all day.
Who remembers a 200M winner, over a 100M winner?

I dont think Champ/Minella Indo cast a larger shadow of domination over their field and trip than Champagne Classic/Carefully Selected do over theirs (all low to mid 150's stuff). It's similar to me, no massive stand out difference.

Copperhead beats any of them, if he produces his form from LTO.

No dodge.

[charlie]

If you can only run one, run in the best one.

If you are an Olympic sprinter, that would be fav for both the 100M and the 200M but the programme of heats/semis meant you could only run in one it would be the 100M all day.
Who remembers a 200M winner, over a 100M winner?

I dont think Champ/Minella Rocco cast a larger shadow of domination over their field and trip than Champagne Classic/Carefully Selected do over theirs (all low to mid 150's stuff). It's similar to me, no massive stand out difference.

Copperhead beats any of them, if he produces his form from LTO.

No dodge.

That's your opinion (and one I share too).

My point is that some owners/trainers place more importance on having a Cheltenham winner over the quality of the race it wins. Plenty of past and present examples of this happening.

I am not saying Champ/Minella Indo (Minella Rocco ) will be miles more difficult to beat, its fine margins, but taking those two and others on over 3m in a G1 after the race he's just had will be more difficult than the G2, IMO.

[Cheltenham Novice Chase]

Charlie - If I recall you’re on BOD for this too, as am I. Do you still hold out much hope of: one, him coming over and two, him winning? Personally, I will be gutted if he doesn’t come over. That would just seem defeatist to me. I think 3miles with the hill will be right up his street. What’s your view?

[Humble Pie]

That's your opinion (and one I share too).

My point is that some owners/trainers place more importance on having a Cheltenham winner over the quality of the race it wins. Plenty of past and present examples of this happening.

I am not saying Champ/Minella Indo (Minella Rocco ) will be miles more difficult to beat, its fine margins, but taking those two and others on over 3m in a G1 after the race he's just had will be more difficult than the G2, IMO.

SW getting in a big Minella Muddle

Respect your opinion and like your confidence but DIZZIE TIZZIE still undecided as to target

I’m firmly in Minella INDO camp and not Champ

May the best horse win

[charlie]

Charlie - If I recall you’re on BOD for this too, as am I. Do you still hold out much hope of: one, him coming over and two, him winning? Personally, I will be gutted if he doesn’t come over. That would just seem defeatist to me. I think 3miles with the hill will be right up his street. What’s your view?

You recall correct, put him up at 40/1 many moons ago. In short, no, I don't hold out much hope of him coming over and if he does, I think they'll switch him and CC. Hate saying it, but can't fight what I'm seeing. CC over another 100 yards would have beat BOD who went out like a light at the DRF. Superb jumper but looks slow and I think the NHC would suit him down to the ground. Fortunately, I have 1pt on @ 25/1 to win any race so all hope not lost, but I think it would be a reach to come here and then win, and that's putting it lightly!

[Cheltenham Novice Chase]

You recall correct, put him up at 40/1 many moons ago. In short, no, I don't hold out much hope of him coming over and if he does, I think they'll switch him and CC. Hate saying it, but can't fight what I'm seeing. CC over another 100 yards would have beat BOD who went out like a light at the DRF. Superb jumper but looks slow and I think the NHC would suit him down to the ground. Fortunately, I have 1pt on @ 25/1 to win any race so all hope not lost, but I think it would be a reach to come here and then win, and that's putting it lightly!

I’m in a similar position. I have some money down for TWAR and some specifically for the RSA. I agree, I think he jumps well but I also agree that he looks slow. I think Elliott made a mistake running him at the DRF over too short a trip. I think the NHC would suit him best. It would seem a very strange not to come over just because last year he didn’t eat or drink well. If I recall a number of Elliott’s were under the weather and BOD lost a shoe. I can’t help thinking we haven’t seen the best of him yet as Elliott is always quick to remark that he’s a good horse. Definitely one for next year’s Gold Cup.