RSA Chase 2020

[Kautothegreat8]

On what basis as someone who doesnt like the horse are you saying that 10/1 is a good price on him?

You have correctly stated thr horse cant jump, that was clear from race 1. You have correctly stated the horses form is poor. I dont understand how you can have that opinion but think 10/1 is good?

I have repeatedly said that the horse has got an engine. He’s a poor jumper but that doesn’t mean he won’t get round does it. If he does finish he will clearly be a huge player albeit behind Minella Indo and BOD in my opinion. There is one thing for certain in racing ....... If you continue to back the horse you think will win you’ll end up broke. Every horse has a price that matches they’re chances of winning. The key is finding the value bet and at 10/1 he’d be worth a chance.

[charlie]

Did anything come to light re Unibet not listing Champ?

[The King Pimm]

If people are that desperate for a 7/2 winner then Tawny Point should win the 5:30 Chelmsford. Its certainly a far stronger bet than Champ at the same odds.
Dont listen to the media who want you to think the horse doesnt like polytrack.

I like that ET, that’s a cool move buddy

[Pendil]

He’s a terrible jumper that is clear to see. Forget the fact he fell, just watch the race back and you’ll see the horse is terrible over a fence and I don’t think anyone can argue with that. He’s consistently been bad over his fences on all 3 starts this season and Yesterday was just the inevitable. The funny thing is he remains 7/2 to win in March. I hear people on hear talk about his win at Aintree last season........ forget it ! It means absolutely nothing. First of all take a look at the opposition, the form of that race amounts to literally nothing. 3 mile round Cheltenham over fences is a completely different animal to 3 miles over hurdles around Aintree. I’ve said it numerous times on here that the horse is massively overrated. Anyone that’s got bigger prices 10/1 or bigger you’ve got a decent price on a decent horse but as for backing him now at 7/2 .......... you’d need you’re head examining

I was one who raised the G1 Aintree novice hurdle 2019 but only as a rebuttal of EE claim of "fact" that the horse had never run over the RSA distance. I made no claim of class, jumping ability or how good/bad the race was - only that he has previously won over 3ml 1/2f

[Kautothegreat8]

I was one who raised the G1 Aintree novice hurdle 2019 but only as a rebuttal of EE claim of "fact" that the horse had never run over the RSA distance. I made no claim of class, jumping ability or how good/bad the race was - only that he has previously won over 3ml 1/2f

Aintree and punchestown form I’d put a line through. Very rarely does it tally up with Cheltenham

[ELEGANTLY TASTED]

I was one who raised the G1 Aintree novice hurdle 2019 but only as a rebuttal of EE claim of "fact" that the horse had never run over the RSA distance. I made no claim of class, jumping ability or how good/bad the race was - only that he has previously won over 3ml 1/2f

Yet another claim that i apparently made but didnt actually.
Im fully aware that Champ won at Aintree. Staying that trip at aintree does not mean he has proven that he stays the same trip at Cheltenham.

[darlojim]

can we discuss something else now? this topics getting very repetitive and boringgg

[Middle_Of_March]

"Your claims about him being a weak finisher on a stiff finish are not factual (as you've claimed), as one was his debut over hurdles against what turned into a graded horse, and the other was in a graded race where he was beaten by the better horse on the day.
This is not even close to being good evidence IMO."

Both races Champ was travelling all over the winner but found nil up the hill.

Although its only 2 races its all the evidence we have. Champ would have traded heavy odds on in both races but found nil.

As for vindication being a graded horse that didnt happen til about 22 months and was over fences long after the champ race. He was never a graded hurdler, champ was.
More races on testing tracks would give us stronger evidencr but the 2 races is all we have to go on and it strongly suggests the horse is a flat track bully as they say.

I find it interesting that you ignored my post disputing the ‘Champ finds nothing up hills’ argument. I posted facts. And received no reply.

[Humble Pie]

Haha personal slagging of poor old BG HP red card for you
50% blaming Barry
50% blaming Champ

and 50% not overly worried - shit happens

Does that mean I’m 150% out of order?

[Pendil]

The facts are when Champ runs on a flat track he finds enough to win.

The two times he ran at a track with a steep finish he didnt find enough to win.

Spin it however you like.

I havent said anything about the horse not staying. Its a fact he is unproven over the RSA trip. Thats not an opinion its a fact. It doesnt mean he wont stay jist that he hasnt proven that he will yet.

At no point have I said he wont stay any trip for that matter. I say a hill blunts his finishing speed. As it stands on evidence thats fact.

"its a fact he is unproven over the RSA trip. That's not an opinion its a fact". Are these not your words then!

[Humble Pie]

If people are that desperate for a 7/2 winner then Tawny Point should win the 5:30 Chelmsford. Its certainly a far stronger bet than Champ at the same odds.
Dont listen to the media who want you to think the horse doesnt like polytrack.

3/1 Winner

ET are you Hugh Taylor in disguise

[Pendil]

Does that mean I’m 150% out of order?

Only if you slag me

[ELEGANTLY TASTED]

3/1 Winner

ET are you Hugh Taylor in disguise

No im much prettier.

[Pendil]

can we discuss something else now? this topics getting very repetitive and boringgg

Completely agree can somebody set up a Champ/Chump the antichrist thread and stop this one from being clogged up

[BigChaang]

No im much prettier.

Lydia Hislop ?