Mares Novice Hurdle 2020

[archie]

Maybe im missing the point here but Altior and Summerville boy both started off in NHF races and they won the supreme in the last 5 years.

I specifically said the Champion Bumper because it requires plenty of stamina and probably means that the horse has started off fairly early in that bumper season. Summerville Boy had his first and only bumper win in May as a 5yo before transferring to Tom George. Altior ran in May as a 4yo and February as a 5yo. Presumably he either didn't get in the race at Cheltenham or they opted out because he then went to Punchestown for his final bumper.

The initial response was to the post about Queens Brook who is from the PtP/NHF route and I see that as a big disadvantage for this race. Gypsy Island is via NHF and Princess Zoe from the flat. I know which of the 3 I'd go with based purely on career so far but we really need to see the French imports, particularly with Mullins, before deciding which is at a value price.

[EnvoyAllen]

I specifically said the Champion Bumper because it requires plenty of stamina and probably means that the horse has started off fairly early in that bumper season. Summerville Boy had his first and only bumper win in May as a 5yo before transferring to Tom George. Altior ran in May as a 4yo and February as a 5yo. Presumably he either didn't get in the race at Cheltenham or they opted out because he then went to Punchestown for his final bumper.

The initial response was to the post about Queens Brook who is from the PtP/NHF route and I see that as a big disadvantage for this race. Gypsy Island is via NHF and Princess Zoe from the flat. I know which of the 3 I'd go with based purely on career so far but we really need to see the French imports, particularly with Mullins, before deciding which is at a value price.

Archie,if you’re suggesting the champion bumper requires “plenty of stamina” over the minimum distance, are you suggesting those horses that will be contesting the National Hunt chase & cross country will require plenty of speed??

I’ve never (and I’ll never) understand those that say you need stamina in the supreme and speed in the ballymore.........??

What the hell do they need in the Albert Bartlett? Both? An aversion to Kryptonite?

When was the last person who said that one of Usain Bolt’s key strengths was his stamina over 100 and 200 metres??

Likewise,when was the occasion when somebody suggested Mo Farah would beat Usain Bolt up to 200 metres??


Guys & girls - 2 miles for horses are a sprint. You don’t need stamina for the bumper. You just need a bloody good horse who’s better than the rest. Where that horse go’s after that in his or her career is nothing to do with the fact that over 2 miles, the distance of the champion bumper, you need a horse that is......quick.....for that specific event.

[archie]

Have it your own way, EA.

The true facts are that most of the horses in the Festival Bumper are 4 or 5 and 2 miles on the flat at Cheltenham is a stamina test for, by definition, immature horses.

[Quevega]

You've excelled yourself there. EA

[archie]

Have it your own way, EA.

The true facts are that most of the horses in the Festival Bumper are 4 or 5 and 2 miles on the flat at Cheltenham is a stamina test for, by definition, immature horses.

The extension to this is that, a year on, the Mares Novice is not a stamina test and is more suited to the speedier types. Of course, a really good mare who stays further can win but a really good mare would very likely have won the Bumper the year before. The stat for this race is very heavily in favour of ex-flat and against ex-bumper but anyone is free to back either so good luck to all who choose ex-bumper.

[Kevloaf]

Archie,if you’re suggesting the champion bumper requires “plenty of stamina” over the minimum distance, are you suggesting those horses that will be contesting the National Hunt chase & cross country will require plenty of speed??

I’ve never (and I’ll never) understand those that say you need stamina in the supreme and speed in the ballymore.........??

What the hell do they need in the Albert Bartlett? Both? An aversion to Kryptonite?

When was the last person who said that one of Usain Bolt’s key strengths was his stamina over 100 and 200 metres??

Likewise,when was the occasion when somebody suggested Mo Farah would beat Usain Bolt up to 200 metres??


Guys & girls - 2 miles for horses are a sprint. You don’t need stamina for the bumper. You just need a bloody good horse who’s better than the rest. Where that horse go’s after that in his or her career is nothing to do with the fact that over 2 miles, the distance of the champion bumper, you need a horse that is......quick.....for that specific event.

Usain Bolt stays on best in a 100m sprint doesn't he? Maintains his speed the longest?



You're confusing the actual meaning of the terms EA.

Archie (or anybody) isn't suggesting you NEED to be a Grand National horse to win a 5f sprint - it's a balance and all relative to the competition - and if horses are winning a Festival bumper at 2 miles at their age, it usually transpires they have enough stamina to go up in trip in the future.

[Quevega]

Usain Bolt stays on best in a 100m sprint doesn't he? Maintains his speed the longest?



You're confusing the actual meaning of the terms EA.

Archie (or anybody) isn't suggesting you NEED to be a Grand National horse to win a 5f sprint - it's a balance and all relative to the competition - and if horses are winning a Festival bumper at 2 miles at their age, it usually transpires they have enough stamina to go up in trip in the future.

I bit my tongue.

[Ray]

I always thought, if a horse is shit, it aint gonna win

[Kevloaf]

I always thought, if a horse is shit, it aint gonna win

You should apply that theory before you back a horse too.

Whhheeeeyyy

[SharpHat]

I’ve never (and I’ll never) understand those that say you need stamina in the supreme and speed in the ballymore.........??.

I agree with this bit, its not true, just a tired phrase that gets rolled out every year by people trying to be clever

[SharpHat]

I always thought, if a horse is shit, it aint gonna win

shit horses win everyday, have you never watched the allweather

[IstabraqBarRegular]

I like the look of BRANDY LOVE for this and she also gets a positive mention in Paul Ferguson new book which is a huge plus.
She is a 5 year old mare who easily won her point to point over 2m 4f, she went off short fav and won cosily showing good jumping and plenty of speed.
Purchased by Sir Willie Mullins, she looks an obvious mare for this race where she is currently available at a working mans price of 25/1, taking some of that at Hills later today actually.
Trainer has won this race every single year since inception and she looks/sounds another goodun.

Dangers are -
Princess Zoe - looks a talent but a daft price and not jumped anything yet in public.
Gypsy Island - another smart looking mare but has had he share of injuries.
Queens Brook - like her a lot, mind need further but one to keep the right side of.

[Lobos]

I like the look of BRANDY LOVE for this and she also gets a positive mention in Paul Ferguson new book which is a huge plus.
She is a 5 year old mare who easily won her point to point over 2m 4f, she went off short fav and won cosily showing good jumping and plenty of speed.
Purchased by Sir Willie Mullins, she looks an obvious mare for this race where she is currently available at a working mans price of 25/1, taking some of that at Hills later today actually.
Trainer has won this race every single year since inception and she looks/sounds another goodun.

Dangers are -
Princess Zoe - looks a talent but a daft price and not jumped anything yet in public.
Gypsy Island - another smart looking mare but has had he share of injuries.
Queens Brook - like her a lot, mind need further but one to keep the right side of.

Brandy Love is 25/1 TWAR with Hills ..........I'd take that later rather than the Mares Novice price.

[JackieMoon33]

I like the look of BRANDY LOVE for this and she also gets a positive mention in Paul Ferguson new book which is a huge plus.
She is a 5 year old mare who easily won her point to point over 2m 4f, she went off short fav and won cosily showing good jumping and plenty of speed.
Purchased by Sir Willie Mullins, she looks an obvious mare for this race where she is currently available at a working mans price of 25/1, taking some of that at Hills later today actually.
Trainer has won this race every single year since inception and she looks/sounds another goodun.

Dangers are -
Princess Zoe - looks a talent but a daft price and not jumped anything yet in public.
Gypsy Island - another smart looking mare but has had he share of injuries.
Queens Brook - like her a lot, mind need further but one to keep the right side of.

Dangers are -
Princess Zoe - looks a talent but a daft price and not jumped anything yet in public.
Gypsy Island - another smart looking mare but has had he share of injuries.
Queens Brook - like her a lot, mind need further but one to keep the right side of.
The likely batch of other Willie Mullins recruits from France

[Craigy14]

Far far too early to be guessing what the dangers are in a novice hurdle with 6 months to go.

Yes WPM is always going to have a load of horses to throw at this race but other than that not really much to go on to be predicting dangers. None of them have jumped a hurdle yet.