Champion Hurdle 2020

[germanshepherd]

are the numbers in relation to par.
as in -9 is a quick finish ?
and +5 is a slow finish ?

yeah + is slower - is faster.

[germanshepherd]

i've seen those pacemaps. There's so many flaws to that idea. At best it can identify which horse has a turn of foot in a tactical battle

there's no flaws it just shows how efficiently the race was run which is essential for race reading. visuals can be deceptive.

[Quevega]

there's no flaws it just shows how efficiently the race was run which is essential for race reading. visuals can be deceptive.

Been on his website.
He does only publish winners pacemaps doesn't he ?

[kinloch brae]

Can't see the plus in going Champion Hurdle with Honeysuckle. She had the run of the race and fell over the line. Race position and class got her home. That form doesn't get her placed in a Champion Hurdle, even a poor one.

Realistically, she only has the one to beat in the Mares and that's if it turns up. I can see why those who have supported Benie Des Deux might want to see Honeysuckle go elsewhere. Personally, I would just like to see a competitive race. I suspect Honeysuckle is several pounds better than Roksana and Benie Des Deux will need to improve on last year to beat her.

Honeysuckle is young enough for them to consider the Champion Hurdle next year but for me she is better suited to a longer trip.

[Big Chac]

Can't see the plus in going Champion Hurdle with Honeysuckle. She had the run of the race and fell over the line. Race position and class got her home. That form doesn't get her placed in a Champion Hurdle, even a poor one.

Realistically, she only has the one to beat in the Mares and that's if it turns up. I can see why those who have supported Benie Des Deux might want to see Honeysuckle go elsewhere. Personally, I would just like to see a competitive race. I suspect Honeysuckle is several pounds better than Roksana and Benie Des Deux will need to improve on last year to beat her.

Honeysuckle is young enough for them to consider the Champion Hurdle next year but for me she is better suited to a longer trip.

I understand in a normal year she wouldn’t have good enough form but this year apart from epatante, who she won’t meet untill the day, who has clear superior form than her?...

Barring the last jump yesterday I think she was going on to win by about 3-4 lengths. If she fell over the line because she was tired, for me, she wouldn’t have battled back when being headed.

I think the last jump checked her momentum and then she had to pick up again....

I think they’d be mad not to have a go this year, given how weak the renewal is and she’s in good form. There’s more chance of the champion hurdle being a better renewal next year then you have of the mares race.

I personally think it’s all dependent on if BDD shows up in mares race..

[Saxon Warrior]

I understand in a normal year she wouldn’t have good enough form but this year apart from epatante, who she won’t meet untill the day, who has clear superior form than her?...

Barring the last jump yesterday I think she was going on to win by about 3-4 lengths. If she fell over the line because she was tired, for me, she wouldn’t have battled back when being headed.

I think the last jump checked her momentum and then she had to pick up again....

I think they’d be mad not to have a go this year, given how weak the renewal is and she’s in good form. There’s more chance of the champion hurdle being a better renewal next year then you have of the mares race.

I personally think it’s all dependent on if BDD shows up in mares race..

I do agree with this, I think it could be the Mares Chase for her next year, and so if they want to take the Irish Champion Hurdle winner to the Champion Hurdle in Cheltenham it’s going to be this year.

Personally I think it would be a sign of madness to win one, and then not run in the other. With the same applying to winning the Irish Gold Cup, or the Irish Arkle.

[Quevega]

I do agree with this, I think it could be the Mares Chase for her next year, and so if they want to take the Irish Champion Hurdle winner to the Champion Hurdle in Cheltenham it’s going to be this year.

Personally I think it would be a sign of madness to win one, and then not run in the other. With the same applying to winning the Irish Gold Cup, or the Irish Arkle.

Jessica Harrington - Hold me beer.

[jack1092]

Been on his website.
He does only publish winners pacemaps doesn't he ?

Yeah he does. I find them very interesting. Asterion Forlonge is a prime example from Naas.

PS he works for Timeform.

[jono]

Ricci didn't dismiss the idea of supplementing Benie here

[Quevega]

Rich Ricci - even mentioned BDD being supplemented for champion hurdle, go on you fucking good thing.
delighted even to get a mention.
When asked about BDD target, his first thought was to mention sharjah being rubbish yesterday.
It's one inch nearer.

[FaugheenTheMachine]

Rich Ricci via Nick Luck “you would have to consider supplementing Benie Des Dieux for the Champion Hurdle”

[Quevega]

Ricci didn't dismiss the idea of supplementing Benie here

No he didn't Jono

I'm having that as a victory even if it don't happen.

[FaugheenTheMachine]

Would mean my filthy Benie (Mares) Honeysuckle (Champion Hurdle) double placed when it became clear Honeysuckle was going for the Irish Champion is the wrong way round which would be a bugger but it’s understandable, Benie would be favourite on the day surely?

[Faugheen_Machine]

Rich Ricci via Nick Luck “you would have to consider supplementing Benie Des Dieux for the Champion Hurdle”

I wish he'd just keep his mouth closed.

Are they really going to run 3 in this (Sharjah & Saldier) when he's basically for a penalty kick in the mares.

I'd be amazed if they did.

[delsie777]

Rich Ricci via Nick Luck “you would have to consider supplementing Benie Des Dieux for the Champion Hurdle”

Might be idea to get on ELFILE eachway for the Mares if you're not already on - just in case one or both the favs move over