Triumph Hurdle 2020

[billymag]

Completely agree. To give a horse a 157 rating after one run is outrageous. Especially when you consider the horse he beat was arguably a non trier with the boodles in mind. No doubt he looks a horse with great potential but 157 is wild

Hes had three runs now 2 in France Kempton was his third. I loved the run visually and the coupled with the money that came I think just wins the Triumph. I just cant see how they got the rating though and as much as id love to believe it, it has to be optimistic at the least. Looking forward to the BHA blog to read how they justify it.

[Istabraq]

157 is a hell of rating for one so young.

There was a novice chaser with Pipe a few years ago whose name escapes, came from France and hacked up in a fvery average Summer races as a 4yo and was given a ridiculous mark, disappeared from the game very quickly...

Ainsee Fideles was the Pipe horse...

[TigerRolllllll]

157 is a hell of rating for one so young.

There was a novice chaser with Pipe a few years ago whose name escapes, came from France and hacked up in a fvery average Summer races as a 4yo and was given a ridiculous mark, disappeared from the game very quickly...

Agree totally....maybe a top horse, but on what it has done.....the mark is a joke

Glad i got the 20s a while back.....but think others have done more and more likely to win

[Kevloaf]

Timeform certainly think differently to the handicappers, with their ratings revised after the weekend as listed below.

The Adonis is often won by a wide margin, by what looks a world beater, who can’t back that up 20 days later in the Triumph.
So for now, with Timeform, Solo has a seat at the top table, rather than a super-top table all of his own.

This feels more sensible, until the Triumph is run, and we know which one to anoint as the Champion Juvenile.


JUVENILE HURDLERS
148p GOSHEN
145 ASPIRE TOWER
144p ALLMANKIND
144p SOLO
143 A WAVE OF THE SEA
142 WOLF PRINCE
141 CERBERUS
140 NORDANO
137p BOTOX HAS
137 MICK PASTOR

How often are OR and TF this far apart?

We do have some quite loyal TF fans don't we? I must admit it's making me feel I need to re-assess how I feel about Goshen. I've just ruled him out of calculations for jumping errors but it's only 8 little bits of wood he's got to saunter over

[DenmanSacre]

They should put Goshen on the inside of Allmankind. Might force him to jump straight if there's a horse on his outside.

[The King Pimm]

They should put Goshen on the inside of Allmankind. Might force him to jump straight if there's a horse on his outside.

They should book Darryl Jacob for the ride then, he’ll ensure Goshen is completely boxed in half way around and just incase the horse wasn’t sure he had nowhere to go he will let him run into the horse in front to completely spook him!!

[SeanRock]

Burning Victory runs according to David Casey at Belfast last night.

[Craigy14]

Cheers Sean, fingers crossed.

Imo Mullins surely runs her and Hook Up, won’t ruin her novice status if she didn’t win. BV obviously won on debut anyway but will have the mares allowance.

3 runners last year, 4 in 2018.

[Kevloaf]

Just watched the replays back for Goshen and Allmankind.

I've narrowed this race down to being between those two, and Solo





I am pretty happy ruling out the Irish, Cerberus got beaten so easily and was way too close to Aspire Tower and A Wave Of The Sea at the DRF. To expect any of them to jump forward enough is a bit of a leap now?




I'm still only on Solo but the other two look ace. Goshen has looked better, but has been in much easier races so that's to be expected. I worry Allmankind will get 'ridden' down the back straight and go for home too soon. Goshen will probably go for home around the home bend too....



For me, Harry Cobdon is head and shoulders above Jamie Moore or Harry Skelton. I wonder, if that'll be the difference in this race?

[Ray]

I certainly wouldnt back Goshen hes not my cup of tea at all, im on Allmankind only but ill back Solo on the day for me i just think Allmankind runs them into the ground he is pure power to do what he done at chepstow showed hes a serious horse then add in he has course and distance form where the others havent then im very convinced!

[ryanh97]

Nicky saying on the preview tonight that if he could train any other horse it'd be Solo tells me all I need to know. Thinks he's gonna be very special even past juvenile year.

I'm on nothing in this race yet

[Istabraq]

Nicky saying on the preview tonight that if he could train any other horse it'd be Solo tells me all I need to know. Thinks he's gonna be very special even past juvenile year.

I'm on nothing in this race yet

Note Nicky was sober tonight and he only had H20 in front of him.
What you need is a 3 hour marathon and a case of red dumped by the table, then he’ll be more open/honest...

[Kevloaf]

Note Nicky was sober tonight and he only had H20 in front of him.
What you need is a 3 hour marathon and a case of red dumped by the table, then he’ll be more open/honest...

You confident Jamie Moore can get the job done?

Won a QMCC hasn't he to be fair...


I'm trying to work an angle so I can just stick with Solo and jockeys is the best I've got.



HarryC beats HarryS who beats JamieM

[Istabraq]

All inexperienced 4yo can get lit up/excited in a Triumph hurdle, especially those who like to go off in front, so I prefer a horse with a good deal of experience and for me that’s Goshen, i’m backing him to be most likely of the front runners to be able to come from behind too.
There’s definitely untapped potential there...

[TCH29]

Note Nicky was sober tonight and he only had H20 in front of him.
What you need is a 3 hour marathon and a case of red dumped by the table, then he’ll be more open/honest...

He has a glass of red wine in front of him!! He was the only one, although I grant you he was sober and it didn’t appear to be topped up.