Cheltenham Gold Cup 2020

[archie]

Either that or youll be thinking, why diddnt i just back the third best horse in training at 16/1.

Fixed that for you.

[Kevloaf]

Fixed that for you.

Double the price to find out.



The fact Santini is a shorter price than Altior is mental, in the real world.


The price of last years RSA winners are disgusting right now, even if one of them wins it, they've been horrible prices.

[somer1]

Double the price to find out.



The fact Santini is a shorter price than Altior is mental, in the real world.


The price of last years RSA winners are disgusting right now, even if one of them wins it, they've been horrible prices.

Come on Kev.Santini had a bloody bad prep and still gave TOFG a run for its money. I think the 1st 2nd and 3rd from last years RSA are above average. I would put my money on one that has swown it stays 3m plus rather than a 10yo ( next year ) that hasnt run anywhere near the Gold Cup trip.

[Kevloaf]

Come on Kev.Santini had a bloody bad prep and still gave TOFG a run for its money. I think the 1st 2nd and 3rd from last years RSA are above average. I would put my money on one that has swown it stays 3m plus rather than a 10yo ( next year ) that hasnt run anywhere near the Gold Cup trip.

There is no proof that giving Topofthegame a run for its money is decent form yet though.... so when they're priced like it IS good form, it needs to be questioned.



If you can't see with your own eyes that Altior would get further than 2 miles then take the trainer and jockeys word for it.


Altior could improve for a step up in trip, if he does that, people may look back and wonder what on earth he was doing at 2 miles for so long

He's a 3 miler, that's so bloody classy he's won two Champion Chases.

[somer1]

Dont know if its possible to do it on this site but can we run a poll to see who we think will finish in the top 3 of the Gold Cup? Might be a bit of fun for the tricast

[JackieMoon33]

Double the price to find out.



The fact Santini is a shorter price than Altior is mental, in the real world.


The price of last years RSA winners are disgusting right now, even if one of them wins it, they've been horrible prices.

Historically the RSA has been a pretty decent trial for the Gold Cup so the bookies are not going to take many risks, especially when the stats are against previous winners/runners.

[Kevloaf]

Historically the RSA has been a pretty decent trial for the Gold Cup so the bookies are not going to take many risks, especially when the stats are against previous winners/runners.

I know they're not going to, which is why the prices aren't good value now.


I am not saying the RSA first 3 home can't be the first three in the Gold Cup, but bar the 25/1 that lingered for Delta Work, they're not good value, so the bookies are right, but that doesn't help me build a book right now.


I've just seen the first bet I placed on Cheltenham 2020 was a £25 free bet at 10/1 on Topofthegame (placed 20th March)...now that is a POOR bet

[BigChaang]

Altior could improve for a step up in trip, if he does that, people may look back and wonder what on earth he was doing at 2 miles for so long

Re Sizing John , although he won the Gold cup at 7 year's old.

[Middle_Of_March]

Reading the sentence last few pages on Altior... what a prospect we have to look forward to.

We’re potentially getting one of the all-time greats at 16/1 for a race he could be ruled out of by Christmas or be 2/1 favourite by New Years Day.

Exciting stuff

[somer1]

There is no proof that giving Topofthegame a run for its money is decent form yet though.... so when they're priced like it IS good form, it needs to be questioned.



If you can't see with your own eyes that Altior would get further than 2 miles then take the trainer and jockeys word for it.


Altior could improve for a step up in trip, if he does that, people may look back and wonder what on earth he was doing at 2 miles for so long

He's a 3 miler, that's so bloody classy he's won two Champion Chases.

IF thats a bloody big word Kev.

[Kevloaf]

IF thats a bloody big word Kev.

So there is no "IF" about last years RSA being better than Al Boum Photo or Kemboy's form?


For me, IF the RSA last year (Topofthegame, Santini, Delta Work) was a top class renewal, their prices this year are just about right.

IF it wasn't a top class renewal, they're bad prices now...


On balance, do I want a bet in September that at best is the right price.

[somer1]

So if is a big word.What price you put on a horse that has never won or ran over the Gold Cup trip? Samcro was the horse to do everything last year and we got our fingers burnt. A tenner in the pocket is better than a tenner on a horse that no one knows if it will stay in a race

[Kevloaf]

So if is a big word.What price you put on a horse that has never won or ran over the Gold Cup trip? Samcro was the horse to do everything last year and we got our fingers burnt. A tenner in the pocket is better than a tenner on a horse that no one knows if it will stay in a race

Well to be fair Somer, not many horses get to run over the Gold Cup trip or further prior to winning it.... a very quick look through the previous 10 winners and none of these would have done it....

Al Boum Photo, Sizing John, Don Cossack, Coneygree, Lord Windemere, Bobs Worth, Long Run and Kauto Star

I am convinced he stays further than 2 miles, and confident he stays more than 2.5 miles.... I expect he'll stay 3 miles and I hope he stays 3 miles 2


Ultimately, I believe he's the most talented horse in the betting, and that is the most important thing... trips, ground, jockeys, form all come secondary (on a sliding and impossible to define scale)

[Middle_Of_March]

Well to be fair Somer, not many horses get to run over the Gold Cup trip or further prior to winning it.... a very quick look through the previous 10 winners and none of these would have done it....

Al Boum Photo, Sizing John, Don Cossack, Coneygree, Lord Windemere, Bobs Worth, Long Run and Kauto Star

I am convinced he stays further than 2 miles, and confident he stays more than 2.5 miles.... I expect he'll stay 3 miles and I hope he stays 3 miles 2


Ultimately, I believe he's the most talented horse in the betting, and that is the most important thing... trips, ground, jockeys, form all come secondary (on a sliding and impossible to define scale)

You’ve sold me Kev.

This has been an excellent discussion on Altior and I’ve decided I’m on board the Altior is a good price train. We know he’s the best horse. And he looks like a stayer. Whether he looks a Gold Cup stayer is another question but what if (big what if I know) he does. We’re getting 14s on a 2/1 shot if he proves he stays in the King George.

A point each way on the best horse in training can’t hurt can it?

1 point each way on Altior @ 14/1

[Quevega]

It’s great for racing that they’re having a go as expected
And he’s been clear in saying they’ll revert back if it don’t go to plan
It shakes things up for now
I think he’s a living legend but I think they might have left it a year too late.
He’ll be 10 next year
To win a gold cup at 10 in last 30 years you’ve got to be Cool