Request-a-Bets (was 'Sky Bets' thread)

[Faugheen_Machine]

They'd only let me have 0.75pt on so hope it's still available tomorrow

[Kevloaf]

Appreciate It to win ANY race at the Festival in 2022 & Shishkin to win the Queen Mother Champion Chase 2022

80/1 @ Sky Requestabets

For those of you (a limited number possibly) who like to look ahead and are prepared to invest in the future and therefore tying your money down for an extended period, I believe this to be a bet of potentially huge value.

On the initial first glance, it looks a sound bet anyway. I think it’s when you delve in a little deeper it’s tremendous ante post value becomes generously apparent. I think the key to the bet is Appreciate It, and his likely progression next season. If he wins the Supreme (or even finishes in the top 3 in a reasonably close finish, he’ll confirm to Willie and all of us he has the 2 mile pace. That leads Appreciate It down one of 3 paths - Champion Hurdle, Arkle or Marsh. Willie has made no secret of the fact he believes this horse is a natural chaser, so it’s a good enough assumption to believe that’s the route he’ll take with him.

Its feasible to believe, with a career trajectory currently being sustained, Appreciate It could well be a ‘shorty’ for the Novice Chases, especially the Arkle.


Shishkin’s career trajectory evidently appears upwards, and it’s almost certain that he’ll be running in next year’s Champion Chase. If he proves to be as good as Sprinter Sacre (1/4 odds for his first Champion chase) & Altior (evens money for his first Champion chase), and he arrives unbeaten over 2 miles in open company, then he’ll very likely be going off at odds similiar to Henderson’s 2 previous two mile superstar chasers.

For me, with all known evidence of Appreciate It & Shishkin’s careers so far, coupled with reasonable assumptions of where both are likely to be going in little under 15 months time, I believe the 80/1 price could well be one of the exceptional ante post bets currently available for 2022.

Like that one.

If Chacun Pour Soi doesn't win the QMCC like a superstar too that'd help the cause.

Completely agree with the Appreciate It parts.

Have speculatively taken 50/1 for the him for the RSA but going Supreme makes that look a lot less likely and all 3 novice chases could be feasible as you suggest.

I can't get more than a few quid on annoyingly. No doubt it'll get trimmed soon.

[Eggs]

....the Appreciate It/Shishkin bet is now 66-1.

[EnvoyAllen]

Like that one.

If Chacun Pour Soi doesn't win the QMCC like a superstar too that'd help the cause.

Completely agree with the Appreciate It parts.

Have speculatively taken 50/1 for the him for the RSA but going Supreme makes that look a lot less likely and all 3 novice chases could be feasible as you suggest.

I can't get more than a few quid on annoyingly. No doubt it'll get trimmed soon.

The thing I’ve learned fairly recently about the request a bets available (and similiar ones on William Hill) is fairly simple - the moment you spot a market you feel they’ve underestimated, and therefore wrongly priced up potentially, you have to immediately take it. As I write this, the 80/1 that was advertised is now 66/1, despite of course, nothing happening but red flags on SkYBet’s algorithm’s for that particular price.

The Shishkin/Envoi double for 2022 was 225/1 less than two months back. I thought it might shorten to 33/1 by next Christmas. And yet, it’s 33/1 as we stand now - incredible. (Naughty though they offer 8 and 9 for both horses individually giving an 89/1 double, which you can only do as singles.....).

I learnt a few months ago back in late September when I saw the 400/1 on the Shishkin/Envoi quadruple bet for 2021/2022 (boosted to 550/1) how little time they last for. I only put a few points on it,thinking ‘I’ll come back for more tomorrow’......of course, it had disappeared and into 200/1 within 24 hours.

Shishkin was 14/1 for the Champion Chase 2022 less than 6 weeks ago. Now just 8’s. I really do think you have to be really positive when certain requestabets appear and where possible, invest multiple points - the early bird more often than not gets the worm.

[Viking Flagship]

The thing I’ve learned fairly recently about the request a bets available (and similiar ones on William Hill) is fairly simple - the moment you spot a market you feel they’ve underestimated, and therefore wrongly priced up potentially, you have to immediately take it. As I write this, the 80/1 that was advertised is now 66/1, despite of course, nothing happening but red flags on SkYBet’s algorithm’s for that particular price.

The Shishkin/Envoi double for 2022 was 225/1 less than two months back. I thought it might shorten to 33/1 by next Christmas. And yet, it’s 33/1 as we stand now - incredible. (Naughty though they offer 8 and 9 for both horses individually giving an 89/1 double, which you can only do as singles.....).

I learnt a few months ago back in late September when I saw the 400/1 on the Shishkin/Envoi quadruple bet for 2021/2022 (boosted to 550/1) how little time they last for. I only put a few points on it,thinking ‘I’ll come back for more tomorrow’......of course, it had disappeared and into 200/1 within 24 hours.

Shishkin was 14/1 for the Champion Chase 2022 less than 6 weeks ago. Now just 8’s. I really do think you have to be really positive when certain requestabets appear and where possible, invest multiple points - the early bird more often than not gets the worm.

In my experience on these markets the early bird gets limited to 5 quid

Fair play to you if you’re able to get meaningful stakes on Sky’s special markets. I’m clearly doing something wrong, and I don’t even think I’ve been that successful at them.

[Spectre]

I don’t mind these bets myself, and I saw this one and decided to pass.

The problem with this one is that given Appreciate It’s age they’d probably be very tempted to have a crack at the Champion Hurdle instead, particularly as it’s a weak division. Going down the chase route would mean he’d be nine before he had a first crack at the Champion Chase.

[Eggs]

The thing I’ve learned fairly recently about the request a bets available (and similiar ones on William Hill) is fairly simple - the moment you spot a market you feel they’ve underestimated, and therefore wrongly priced up potentially, you have to immediately take it. As I write this, the 80/1 that was advertised is now 66/1, despite of course, nothing happening but red flags on SkYBet’s algorithm’s for that particular price.

The Shishkin/Envoi double for 2022 was 225/1 less than two months back. I thought it might shorten to 33/1 by next Christmas. And yet, it’s 33/1 as we stand now - incredible. (Naughty though they offer 8 and 9 for both horses individually giving an 89/1 double, which you can only do as singles.....).

I learnt a few months ago back in late September when I saw the 400/1 on the Shishkin/Envoi quadruple bet for 2021/2022 (boosted to 550/1) how little time they last for. I only put a few points on it,thinking ‘I’ll come back for more tomorrow’......of course, it had disappeared and into 200/1 within 24 hours.

Shishkin was 14/1 for the Champion Chase 2022 less than 6 weeks ago. Now just 8’s. I really do think you have to be really positive when certain requestabets appear and where possible, invest multiple points - the early bird more often than not gets the worm.

...to be fair, that Shiskin 14-1 bet was there for a while and I’m certain I highlighted it as a stand-out. There was plenty of opportunity to take it. Saying that, there’s plenty of racing to go before next years Festival.

I think the general point is accurate, though, that the early bird catches the worm. Many of the big priced bets came from a poster identifying Hills had a RaB section.

I’m sure once this years party is over, we’ll be scouring for value and taking advantage of a/r multiples.

[Kevloaf]

I don’t mind these bets myself, and I saw this one and decided to pass.

The problem with this one is that given Appreciate It’s age they’d probably be very tempted to have a crack at the Champion Hurdle instead, particularly as it’s a weak division. Going down the chase route would mean he’d be nine before he had a first crack at the Champion Chase.

***Gold Cup.

[Spectre]

Quite right. We all thought he’d more likely be up in trip, not down.

It'll be the Stayers then!

[EnvoyAllen]

In my experience on these markets the early bird gets limited to 5 quid

Fair play to you if you’re able to get meaningful stakes on Sky’s special markets. I’m clearly doing something wrong, and I don’t even think I’ve been that successful at them.

Twenty max per market selection, but maybe this is because I’m relatively new to SKYBet (opening an account in June) so effectively I only have ‘open’ bets at the moment. Thankfully, I have 2 friends who have accounts too and utilise the ‘max’ stake too, but I don’t get them too excited in fear of them using up any potential staking money I can use, and taking the tip for themselves. Reassuringly, they both know absolutely nothing about horse racing, and only bet on football. They must be both be utterly perplexed when I ask them to utilise the maximum stake on a 225/1, 150/1 or even an 80/1 market. They must think I’m mad. I just like to focus well ahead of the game. Having faith and belief in how a specific market might go in weeks and months to come is I guess all any punter can do.

[Spectre]

Whatever they limit you to usually you can keep topping up after every 24 hours that have lapsed.

[charlie]

Appreciate It (SNH), CPS (QM), Al Boum (GC) all win, Concertista (MH) & Bob Olinger (BNH) both to place - 200/1

[Kevloaf]

Twenty max per market selection, but maybe this is because I’m relatively new to SKYBet (opening an account in June) so effectively I only have ‘open’ bets at the moment. Thankfully, I have 2 friends who have accounts too and utilise the ‘max’ stake too, but I don’t get them too excited in fear of them using up any potential staking money I can use, and taking the tip for themselves. Reassuringly, they both know absolutely nothing about horse racing, and only bet on football. They must be both be utterly perplexed when I ask them to utilise the maximum stake on a 225/1, 150/1 or even an 80/1 market. They must think I’m mad. I just like to focus well ahead of the game. Having faith and belief in how a specific market might go in weeks and months to come is I guess all any punter can do.

Mr Envoy Allen Sir, do you have a plan in place for when you lose access / get restricted / limited?

I've 'lost' 4 Sky accounts in my life so far (Me, Wife, Dad, Mate) - so it's hard for me to get more than a few quid on (limited to less than a quid on a couple of them)...even across a few accounts, especially before prices disappear as you pointed out in the post before.

Your love for looking so far ahead may dry up if you can't get what you want on? Fingers crossed it doesn't for you for a long time to come.

[EnvoyAllen]

No plans at all, if I’m being totally honest. My ‘main’ potential wins thankfully for this year won’t be with SKYBet, more just a few value ‘top ups’ I’ve noticed that felt were value to complement my main bets.I wouldn’t necessarily say I ‘look that far ahead’ but it’s clear (you’ve got the 41/1 Shishkin/Envoi Allen double - I’ve got as close to a life changing amount I’m ever likely to win, this I can assure you on the 26.5/1 double - it’s a stake I’ve never committed to before, but I fully accept the virtues of any ante post bet) the value has now disappeared on all Shishkin/Envoi Allen markets and a fresh approach looking further into the future appears to be of sound choice (assuming those 2 horses are selections people want to have on side 15 months in advance).

It’s a situation no different to March of last year - Lewis Hamilton 8/13 to win the drivers championship or 10/1 to win SPOTY. Establishing that to win the 8/13 ‘drivers title’ would likely mean overtaking Schumacher’s “untouchable 91 wins” and therefore allowing the 10/1 price to realistically be a false one, it was a market I had to hit very hard on. Thankfully, my hunch paid off. But I had to wait a long time. So sometimes, I will look a long way ahead and try to establish probabilities and ‘related contingencies’ as such. Looking at doubles for 2021 on a few horses at slim single figure prices and then viewing a year ahead on those same doubles which are 20 and 30 times greater, for me personally, it’s the way to go. Like hopefully a lot of people on here, I have some tremendous value currently on Shishkin & Envoi Allen - if they lose they lose. If they don’t get to Cheltenham, they don’t get to Cheltenham. I can only do my bit - grab that price.

And now they’ve all but disappeared. Time to look ahead. I think the key thing is March 2022 seems such a long way away, and yet the markets and some big clues are here now. I intend to utilise them.

[Quevega]

No plans at all, if I’m being totally honest. My ‘main’ potential wins thankfully for this year won’t be with SKYBet, more just a few value ‘top ups’ I’ve noticed that felt were value to complement my main bets.I wouldn’t necessarily say I ‘look that far ahead’ but it’s clear (you’ve got the 41/1 Shishkin/Envoi Allen double - I’ve got as close to a life changing amount I’m ever likely to win, this I can assure you on the 26.5/1 double - it’s a stake I’ve never committed to before, but I fully accept the virtues of any ante post bet) the value has now disappeared on all Shishkin/Envoi Allen markets and a fresh approach looking further into the future appears to be of sound choice (assuming those 2 horses are selections people want to have on side 15 months in advance).

It’s a situation no different to March of last year - Lewis Hamilton 8/13 to win the drivers championship or 10/1 to win SPOTY. Establishing that to win the 8/13 ‘drivers title’ would likely mean overtaking Schumacher’s “untouchable 91 wins” and therefore allowing the 10/1 price to realistically be a false one, it was a market I had to hit very hard on. Thankfully, my hunch paid off. But I had to wait a long time. So sometimes, I will look a long way ahead and try to establish probabilities and ‘related contingencies’ as such. Looking at doubles for 2021 on a few horses at slim single figure prices and then viewing a year ahead on those same doubles which are 20 and 30 times greater, for me personally, it’s the way to go. Like hopefully a lot of people on here, I have some tremendous value currently on Shishkin & Envoi Allen - if they lose they lose. If they don’t get to Cheltenham, they don’t get to Cheltenham. I can only do my bit - grab that price.

And now they’ve all but disappeared. Time to look ahead. I think the key thing is March 2022 seems such a long way away, and yet the markets and some big clues are here now. I intend to utilise them.

Have you laid off any of your outlay on these 2 in particular ?
It's a perfect storm to be able to do so.
If it's a life changing return, surely the risk/outlay would hurt if the worse were to happen.