2021 Albert Bartlett Novices Hurdle

[ComplyOrDie]

I can't knock a 40/1 shot (which I'm happy enough to be on), and although I don't know the sectionals it seemed to be a bit of a sprint finish (I guess to be expected with such a small field), but the fact the outsider was finishing just as well as Torygraph gives me doubts currently. I can certainly see why some bookmakers held the price a bit after the race.

[nortonscoin200]

Agreed.
But they'll certainly run something on a decent mark in the pipe that the trainer thinks is better.
So any Pipe entries would fit both bills, unless they've been given over 142+ by the Irish Handicapper already.

Don't you think 3 miles at Cheltenham will suit Torygraph far better than the MP trip though. Reckon he needs 3 miles to be seen at his best.

[Quevega]

Don't you think 3 miles at Cheltenham will suit Torygraph far better than the MP trip though. Reckon he needs 3 miles to be seen at his best.

Maybe.
Impossible to know for sure, and IMO there's not much in it, as they go fast enough in the Pipe normally, with all those conditionals on board.
And he's just won in s sprint finish against Jackshit.

[ComplyOrDie]

Maybe.
Impossible to know for sure, and IMO there's not much in it, as they go fast enough in the Pipe normally, with all those conditionals on board.
And he's just won in s sprint finish against Jackshit.

Haha I have to agree with this.

He's every chance of going for the Pipe, should his mark remain low enough.

[Can't Catch Me]

I think he's absolutely tailor made for the AB and is all about stamina. Wouldn't fancy him in the MP myself.

[Kevloaf]

I think he's absolutely tailor made for the AB and is all about stamina. Wouldn't fancy him in the MP myself.

You think a horse that would win the Albert Bartlett wouldn't have a chance in the Martin Pipe?

Can't think of many Martin Pipe winners that aren't all about stamina...

Don Poli and Slow By Slow have won it

[Quevega]

I think he's absolutely tailor made for the AB and is all about stamina. Wouldn't fancy him in the MP myself.

Some of the slowest horse in the history of the World have won the Pipe hurdle.
It should be renamed the Boat and Barge Conditionals Handicap hurdle.

[Quevega]

You think a horse that would win the Albert Bartlett wouldn't have a chance in the Martin Pipe?

Can't think of many Martin Pipe winners that aren't all about stamina...

Don Poli and Slow By Slow have won it

Jinx...........

[Kevloaf]

Jinx...........

Great minds think alike.



And ours.

[FinalFurlong91]

Yes, agreed. My own thoughts of FD are that he seems to leap a bit right-handed at his jumps, and he ran a weaker race when going left-handed (4th) than his two right-handed wins.

Very true but he didn't go a yard in that race and be good to see him left handed again

[Can't Catch Me]

Take your point about needing a horse that stays for the MP lads, but I just think Torygraph will absolutely relish the longest trip he can possibly get his hands on. So if given a choice of a 2m41/2f race or a 3m race, Id strongly favour the longer one for him. He seems to eat up the ground in the last furlong and is so strong at the line.

[nortonscoin200]

You think a horse that would win the Albert Bartlett wouldn't have a chance in the Martin Pipe?

Can't think of many Martin Pipe winners that aren't all about stamina...

Don Poli and Slow By Slow have won it

I think CCM is right in believing the Pipe wouldn't play to Torygraph's main asset which is his stamina - and judging by today, his ability to quicken up at the end of almost 3 miles.

He would obviously have a decent chance in the Pipe too - but imo it wouldn't be his best trip. Imo it would be a trickier task for him which could possibly be offset by facing lower quality rivals in the Pipe than the AB.

Whether he is classy enough to win the AB is another matter - and all we can do is guess on what we've seen so far - but the trip would suit him better, I'd say.

[Quevega]

Take your point about needing a horse that stays for the MP lads, but I just think Torygraph will absolutely relish the longest trip he can possibly get his hands on. So if given a choice of a 2m41/2f race or a 3m race, Id strongly favour the longer one for him. He seems to eat up the ground in the last furlong and is so strong at the line.

It was a sprint finish today in a very slow time.
In a non graded race.
So you've no real evidence. Except for his breeding suggesting it maybe ?

[Can't Catch Me]

It was a sprint finish today in a very slow time.
In a non graded race.
So you've no real evidence. Except for his breeding suggesting it maybe ?

Wasnt just today q. His previous run was the same. He was struggling to keep up with Velvet Elvis off the final bend and looked in trouble, then powered away from the last hurdle. That horse has since gone in over 3m.

I just think his single biggest asset is his stamina and how he finished his races. So it makes sense to play to that.

[Silverbirch]

It was a sprint finish today in a very slow time.
In a non graded race.
So you've no real evidence. Except for his breeding suggesting it maybe ?

I think he's value because other than stattler, looks a very weak year for this race. No one has really staked a claim yet. Looks very open to me.