2021 Ballymore Novices Hurdle

[Kevloaf]

Ooops, I meant Challow not Tolworth

Haha, makes more sense.

Fair enough.

I think because of the depth, we could have more than 1 winner out of todays race.... I wouldn't think that about the Challow.



Bob Olinger and Bravemansgame have more to prove now.... I trhink GDM is the correct fav as it stands, and unlikely they get chance to prove otherwise until the day.

Looks an exciting race.

[ComplyOrDie]

I would say it’s the strongest form in relation to the AB, not so sure re Ballymore, although the Winner would certainly be a threat in either race imo

Yeah, that's how I would see it, as good as GDM was, it ultimately produces Bartlett types, IMO.

[charlie]

Haha, makes more sense.

Fair enough.

I think because of the depth, we could have more than 1 winner out of todays race.... I wouldn't think that about the Challow.



Bob Olinger and Bravemansgame have more to prove now.... I trhink GDM is the correct fav as it stands, and unlikely they get chance to prove otherwise until the day.

Looks an exciting race.

In my head I was thinking Challow, then I saw your response and thought 'has Kev lost his shit', when that is probably exactly what you were thinking about me!!

[Can't Catch Me]

As I've said 3 times now, I meant Challow not Tolworth

Kev said todays race was a long way ahead of any other novice race over 2m and I don't think it was miles ahead of the Challow

Challow challow challow

Did you say Tolworth

Ha, sorry mate, was slow typing and had seen you had already said Challow! I'd have to agree with Kev, think that race was red hot and well clear of any other novice race we've seen so far.

[charlie]

Did you say Tolworth

Ha, sorry mate, was slow typing and had seen you had already said Challow! I'd have to agree with Kev, think that race was red hot and well clear of any other novice race we've seen so far.

haha yeh I got them mixed up. My mistake! I don't think its miles clear of the Challow at all but each to their own

[charlie]

Very good from GDM.

He's ultimately beat a load of 3 milers, who mostly had questions to answer anyway. I saw it as he outpaced them but stayed well to the line. He's gone fav so the bookmakers must have been impressed enough. He's a good enough winner for me now, that him or Bob Olinger would be a good result, so I'm fairly confident now of hitting one of the two.

I think that's fair COD and how I view it too. I didn't look at either market this morning but did he beat anything that was quoted sub 16's in either the Ballymore or Albert Bartlett prior to today? He was very good, but I think there has been a slight market over reaction myself. For me, he's won a staying novice hurdle very well, and showed good speed to a bunch of horses that may or may not have a chance in an Albert Bartlett - all still bankable at double figure prices for the AB. Is that unfair? I thought PM summed it up nicely post race by saying they weren't confident because 'there was a lot of unknown quantities in the race'. I think that's fair. Be interesting to see what rating he's given. Those firmly in camp GDM, what mark do you think he will get for that?

[ComplyOrDie]

I think that's fair COD and how I view it too. I didn't look at either market this morning but did he beat anything that was quoted sub 16's in either the Ballymore or Albert Bartlett prior to today? He was very good, but I think there has been a slight market over reaction myself. For me, he's won a staying novice hurdle very well, and showed good speed to a bunch of horses that may or may not have a chance in an Albert Bartlett - all still bankable at double figure prices for the AB. Is that unfair? I thought PM summed it up nicely post race by saying they weren't confident because 'there was a lot of unknown quantities in the race'. I think that's fair. Be interesting to see what rating he's given. Those firmly in camp GDM, what mark do you think he will get for that?

Don't get me wrong, he's done what he had to do today and done it plenty well enough but I wouldn't be looking at it thinking he was super impressive, just because of the boats in behind. With the exception of Stattler who I really like anyway, but ultimately needs further, I think both Bob Olinger and Bravemansgame could have won that just as impressively, and they are the two we'd be comparing against.

Yeah, PM was bang on really, and obviously he knew what to expect against their own ones as well. The money came and it wasn't wrong.

[charlie]

Don't get me wrong, he's done what he had to do today and done it plenty well enough but I wouldn't be looking at it thinking he was super impressive, just because of the boats in behind. With the exception of Stattler who I really like anyway, but ultimately needs further, I think both Bob Olinger and Bravemansgame could have won that just as impressively, and they are the two we'd be comparing against.

Yeah, PM was bang on really, and obviously he knew what to expect against their own ones as well. The money came and it wasn't wrong.

We agree again

[Kevloaf]

ComplyOrDie and charlie

Gaillard Du Mesnil not your biggest winners then



Absolute tosh from you two..... knocking GDM for beating that field is just nonsense. I'm guessing you think Bob Olinger deserves to be shorter? He's done absolutely nothing anywhere near as good...




Tosh

[ComplyOrDie]

ComplyOrDie and charlie

Gaillard Du Mesnil not your biggest winners then



Absolute tosh from you two..... knocking GDM for beating that field is just nonsense. I'm guessing you think Bob Olinger deserves to be shorter? He's done absolutely nothing anywhere near as good...




Tosh

Gaillard Du Mesnil is a big winner for me though?? And if Appreciate It wins then he becomes a bigger winner in the Ballymore for me than Bob Olinger

Just my assessment, I didn't just mention Bob Olinger doing what GDM done today, I also mentioned Bravemansgame, and I don't have him backed nearly half as much as GDM or BO, so your suggestion of not being my biggest winner is irrelevant.

I know you're all giddy because he's your biggest winner in the race but that was just how I saw the race today. Of course, I don't expect everyone to agree.

[fatherjohn]

Gaillard Du Mesnil is a big winner for me though?? And if Appreciate It wins then he becomes a bigger winner in the Ballymore for me than Bob Olinger

Just my assessment, I didn't just mention Bob Olinger doing what GDM done today, I also mentioned Bravemansgame, and I don't have him backed nearly half as much as GDM or BO, so your suggestion of not being my biggest winner is irrelevant.

I know you're all giddy because he's your biggest winner in the race but that was just how I saw the race today. Of course, I don't expect everyone to agree.

I think it depends how highly you put ferny hollow. in my opinion bobs run against ferny is still a better performance than GDM and I'd have bob a more likely winner

[Kevloaf]

Gaillard Du Mesnil is a big winner for me though?? And if Appreciate It wins then he becomes a bigger winner in the Ballymore for me than Bob Olinger

Just my assessment, I didn't just mention Bob Olinger doing what GDM done today, I also mentioned Bravemansgame, and I don't have him backed nearly half as much as GDM or BO, so your suggestion of not being my biggest winner is irrelevant.

I know you're all giddy because he's your biggest winner in the race but that was just how I saw the race today. Of course, I don't expect everyone to agree.

Wouldn't know, the points aren't included


Bob O and GDM are very similar for me...... Bob O multiples are better, but I can see he's achieved less so far, it's obv.

[ComplyOrDie]

Wouldn't know, the points aren't included


Bob O and GDM are very similar for me...... Bob O multiples are better, but I can see he's achieved less so far, it's obv.

No, something I'll try and start next season. I have total live stakes and P/L for now though.

My Bob O multiples are better but singles are the bread and butter stuff. Multiples are just the dream.

Hopefully big AI does the business first up anyway, then can cross the Ballymore bridge when it comes to it.

[charlie]

ComplyOrDie and charlie

Gaillard Du Mesnil not your biggest winners then

Absolute tosh from you two..... knocking GDM for beating that field is just nonsense. I'm guessing you think Bob Olinger deserves to be shorter? He's done absolutely nothing anywhere near as good...

Tosh

Knocking??

He's very obviously yours!

If what I said was knocking Kev you should see me go for one properly

I asked if he beat anything that was quoted sub 16's in either the Ballymore or Albert Bartlett? Did he? Fair question and I was genuinely interested.

I said he was very good, but there was a slight market over reaction. Is acknowledging he's very good and 'slight' knocking?

I said he beat horses that may or may not have a chance in an Albert Bartlett. Thats fair - all of them are still backable at double figure prices for the AB are they not?

Anyway, back to my question Kev, what mark do you think GDM will be given for that?

[Kevloaf]

Knocking??

He's very obviously yours!

If what I said was knocking Kev you should see me go for one properly

I asked if he beat anything that was quoted sub 16's in either the Ballymore or Albert Bartlett? Did he? Fair question and I was genuinely interested.

I said he was very good, but there was a slight market over reaction. Is acknowledging he's very good and 'slight' knocking?

I said he beat horses that may or may not have a chance in an Albert Bartlett. Thats fair - all of them are still backable at double figure prices for the AB are they not?

Anyway, back to my question Kev, what mark do you think GDM will be given for that?

Haha, he's not mine, mines Appreciate It

I feel like what horses were ante post for a race isn't the best way to judge form... like, what did Nube Negra beat, yet what price is he now? So you can't have it both ways unless you now think Nube Negra is a good thing?


I don't think it's a market overeaction that he's fav, I think it's easier to say GDM is fav on form than Bravemansgame or Bob Olinger? Happy to have that debate....

The entire AB field was double figures wasn't it before today? It's not a valid reason to judge form.... the actual form is more important than ante post markets.


I dunno what he'll be given, to be honest, as it's not a handicap, it's not even crossed my mind... I wouldn't care? I don't care.... I don't care if it's higher than previous winners, or if its lower.... I don't value that as important.



2 years down the line, if he's in a handicap, I'll care.... but right now.... what the handicapper things won't even register for me.... I might at some point look at TF ratings, but it would never actually influence my betting in an open novice hurdle.