Cheltenham 2020 - Ante post bets

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

They won't allow those bets unfortunately.

It's classed as a related contingency.


In all their T&Cs


Most don't let you put them on, and the ones that do are *unfortunately* allowed to void them.

Have you not misread that post Kev? Isn't he just saying the manual standard treble is paying better than the special treble price. Not sure there is a related contingency issue unless I am missing something

[Muswell]

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[Vautour]

They won't allow those bets unfortunately.

It's classed as a related contingency.


In all their T&Cs


Most don't let you put them on, and the ones that do are *unfortunately* allowed to void them.

Do you mean you couldn’t do a Honeysuckle (champion) Benie (mares) double as that would be a related contingency?

[somer1]

Glynn out tomorrow 13.15 Doncaster

[Kevloaf]

Have you not misread that post Kev? Isn't he just saying the manual standard treble is paying better than the special treble price. Not sure there is a related contingency issue unless I am missing something

Oooh, yeah!

Very much so

I thought it meant each one to win at the DRF then the CF!




Sorry SizingJohn..... and yeah that is ridiculous.... I remember WH doing the same a few years back and I put it all over twitter

[Cheltenham Novice Chase]

Gordon Elliott seems to be reviving horses we thought we might never see again. First Death Duty and now Sutton Place. Sutton Place is entered up at Naas on Sunday over 2m. He was very highly regarded some years back with Elliott calling him ‘a monster’. One for the handicaps may be?

[JackieMoon33]

I’ve managed to find some time to start compiling my 2019/2020 shortlist and decided to start with my less obvious candidates. Below are six from left field:

King Roland - Harry Fry - Albert Bartlett - 33/1

Arrived with Harry Fry after winning an English PTP for the Lacey’s. Won on Bumper debut in a performance that screamed ‘notebook’ despite an average field. Went on to win again in more workmanlike fashion and avoided the major spring festivals. Based on his two performances he seems like a relentless galloper and given his size and background, I can see him ending up over staying trips this season. The Albert Bartlett is always a tricky race to predict before the season starts but I’d want him onside before he makes his hurdles debut. The 33/1 with 365 is good enough for me.

The Big Getaway - Willie Mullins - Albert Bartlett - 33/1

An expensive purchase out of the Irish PTP scene for powerful connections. Ran in two bumpers finishing runner up both times, the second of which was at the Punchestown festival and the small field would not have helped him (the form is decent though). The Big Getaway is a HUGE horse so I’m not too worried that he was unsuccessful in his Bumpers. On breeding and running style he’s another I feel will end up over staying trips and his huge stride should devour the Cheltenham Hill if he’s good enough to line up. I’ll go a step further and say he’ll be lining up in the RSA the year after too.

Reserve Tank - Colin Tizzard - RSA - 33/1

He would not have been in too many notebooks prior to the Cheltenham Festival but he should be now. Finished the season with big wins at Aintree and Punchestown over two and a half miles but he looks like he could be a stayer to me. Because he has not run over 3 miles over hurdles, the ante post prices for him favour the JLT (16/1) but if you watch the races and read/listen to the interviews, I think stepping up in trip is a definite option for him and therefore I want him for the RSA. He’s a two time Grade 1 winner and with a trainer who knows how to win at Cheltenham. I don’t think they’ll make the same mistake as with Lostintranslation last year and run over the shorter JLT distance and get tapped for speed again. The price for the RSA of 33/1 is one of the best ante post prices you’ll find this season.

Longhouse Poet - Martin Brassil - Ballymore - 33/1

Whilst I don’t blindly follow the same connections to repeat festival successes, I think Martin Brassil could have a chance to do so in the Ballymore. Longhouse Poet won a Punchestown festival Bumper over 2m 2f beating an expensive Mullins/Ricci hot pot in the process. He looks to have the right blend of speed and stamina and I’m a big fan of his sire, Yeats. He won his PTP comfortably at odds on and although the form has not been tested much, the third has come out and won a PTP since.

Master Debonair - Colin Tizzard - Supreme or Ballymore - 50/1 for both

After running well in two early season Cheltenham Bumpers in quick times, I championed his cause for Festival success. He was disappointing on the day and didn’t show his true running as he was far too keen throughout. He went to Aintree and ran fifth in their Bumper but was not really involved in the finish. I’m going to stand by his early season form and also throw in that he was schooled over hurdles last year as it was being considered then. He’s wonderfully bred and, ignoring the festival run, relished the Cheltenham hill in his previous visits. He beat the Cheltenham Champion Bumper third (Thyme Hill) when winning his listed Bumper so the form from earlier in the season stacks up. Based on breeding I’m unsure of his trip as my instincts say Ballymore but Tizzard mentioned the Supreme in an interview. His price of 50/1 reflects his end of season form so I’m happy with the added value.

Eldorado Allen - Colin Tizzard - Arkle or JLT - 50/1 for both

Produced one of the best jumping performances by a novice hurdler last year but his season was ended due to injury. I can’t find any updates on if he will go chasing or not but his jumping ability and scope would lead me to think he will. He had a big reputation last year and due to his injury, he never featured at the business end of the season to know how good he actually is. At 50/1 I’m prepared to chance that his debut was only the start of bigger things to come.

All prices with Bet365 for cash out purposes.

Although these are not my only bets, I was interested to go back and see how these long shot selections have progressed during the season. These were all horses I carried over from the previous season. The list was pre and publications or stable tours so was not influenced by anything that subsequently came to light afterwards. A bit of a mixed bag but I always like to follow my only lists rather than get too influenced by publications and stable tours. I inevitably do end up taking snippets from those sources but I'm only human.

King Roland - Harry Fry - Albert Bartlett - 33/1
Still a live one although possibly may go for the Ballymore. Might run this weekend and that will show what level he's up to at present. Will likely be at his best next season over fences though.

The Big Getaway - Willie Mullins - Albert Bartlett - 33/1
Looks like I got the right race but was frustratingly beaten on hurdles debut. His next run will show if he's Cheltenham class or not.

Reserve Tank - Colin Tizzard - RSA - 33/1
Although I went against the grain with thinking he'd end up in the RSA, it proved immaterial as he's not been good enough at any distance. Unless the spring ground brings about a revival, this was not a good selection in the end.

Longhouse Poet - Martin Brassil - Ballymore - 33/1
Was not match for Envoi Allen or Elixir D'ainay on his last start so will be running for the places at best. Could also step up to the Spud Race as well. I still think he's a good horse but Envoi Allen has backed up his bumper form and some.

Master Debonair - Colin Tizzard - Supreme or Ballymore - 50/1 for both
Ended up as an out and out 2 miler. Managed to get beat on debut but taken his form to a new level since they let him go from the front. He'll have a chance in the Supreme given it's possibly not a vintage renewal this season.

Eldorado Allen - Colin Tizzard - Arkle or JLT - 50/1 for both
This selectioin can be rolled over to last year after they remainded hurdling with him. The ability is still there and he'll be top class over fences I reckon.

[Eggs]

....ATR have opened their dedicated Cheltenham Festival site if anybody’s interested;

https://cheltenham.attheraces.com/

[SuperTiger]

All eyes on Honey next week!

[Quevega]

A QUESTION.
I'm not a big user of the betting exchanges, and have had a few small bets this year at big prices.

Some of these were not entered in the race and the bet has kind of gone (still listed but odds changed to 1).

Does anyone know if a horse is supplemented if the bet comes back into play or not ???

I'm thinking Benie Des Deiux Champion Hurdle mainly.

[Ribocco]

A QUESTION.
I'm not a big user of the betting exchanges, and have had a few small bets this year at big prices.

Some of these were not entered in the race and the bet has kind of gone (still listed but odds changed to 1).

Does anyone know if a horse is supplemented if the bet comes back into play or not ???

I'm thinking Benie Des Deiux Champion Hurdle mainly.

Yes, it would come back into play.

[Quevega]

Yes, it would come back into play.

Thankyou.
Thought so.

[The King Pimm]

Thankyou.
Thought so.

I’m glad you asked that Q as I was confused with the same issue. I’ve just started using the exchange in the past month and not completely sure how it works. I’ve only backed horses so far and not laid anything.

[Ribocco]

I’m glad you asked that Q as I was confused with the same issue. I’ve just started using the exchange in the past month and not completely sure how it works. I’ve only backed horses so far and not laid anything.

Ask away. Someone on here will know the answer.

[BigChaang]

Although these are not my only bets, I was interested to go back and see how these long shot selections have progressed during the season. These were all horses I carried over from the previous season. The list was pre and publications or stable tours so was not influenced by anything that subsequently came to light afterwards. A bit of a mixed bag but I always like to follow my only lists rather than get too influenced by publications and stable tours. I inevitably do end up taking snippets from those sources but I'm only human.

King Roland - Harry Fry - Albert Bartlett - 33/1
Still a live one although possibly may go for the Ballymore. Might run this weekend and that will show what level he's up to at present. Will likely be at his best next season over fences though.

The Big Getaway - Willie Mullins - Albert Bartlett - 33/1
Looks like I got the right race but was frustratingly beaten on hurdles debut. His next run will show if he's Cheltenham class or not.

Reserve Tank - Colin Tizzard - RSA - 33/1
Although I went against the grain with thinking he'd end up in the RSA, it proved immaterial as he's not been good enough at any distance. Unless the spring ground brings about a revival, this was not a good selection in the end.

Longhouse Poet - Martin Brassil - Ballymore - 33/1
Was not match for Envoi Allen or Elixir D'ainay on his last start so will be running for the places at best. Could also step up to the Spud Race as well. I still think he's a good horse but Envoi Allen has backed up his bumper form and some.

Master Debonair - Colin Tizzard - Supreme or Ballymore - 50/1 for both
Ended up as an out and out 2 miler. Managed to get beat on debut but taken his form to a new level since they let him go from the front. He'll have a chance in the Supreme given it's possibly not a vintage renewal this season.

Eldorado Allen - Colin Tizzard - Arkle or JLT - 50/1 for both
This selectioin can be rolled over to last year after they remainded hurdling with him. The ability is still there and he'll be top class over fences I reckon.

Willie saying The Big getaway to go for the Ballymore J.M - (racing t.v ). Bit of a blow as .
i backed for the A.B .