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Cheltenham 2020 - Ante post bets

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  • I’ve managed to find some time to start compiling my 2019/2020 shortlist and decided to start with my less obvious candidates. Below are six from left field:

    King Roland - Harry Fry - Albert Bartlett - 33/1

    Arrived with Harry Fry after winning an English PTP for the Lacey’s. Won on Bumper debut in a performance that screamed ‘notebook’ despite an average field. Went on to win again in more workmanlike fashion and avoided the major spring festivals. Based on his two performances he seems like a relentless galloper and given his size and background, I can see him ending up over staying trips this season. The Albert Bartlett is always a tricky race to predict before the season starts but I’d want him onside before he makes his hurdles debut. The 33/1 with 365 is good enough for me.

    The Big Getaway - Willie Mullins - Albert Bartlett - 33/1

    An expensive purchase out of the Irish PTP scene for powerful connections. Ran in two bumpers finishing runner up both times, the second of which was at the Punchestown festival and the small field would not have helped him (the form is decent though). The Big Getaway is a HUGE horse so I’m not too worried that he was unsuccessful in his Bumpers. On breeding and running style he’s another I feel will end up over staying trips and his huge stride should devour the Cheltenham Hill if he’s good enough to line up. I’ll go a step further and say he’ll be lining up in the RSA the year after too.

    Reserve Tank - Colin Tizzard - RSA - 33/1

    He would not have been in too many notebooks prior to the Cheltenham Festival but he should be now. Finished the season with big wins at Aintree and Punchestown over two and a half miles but he looks like he could be a stayer to me. Because he has not run over 3 miles over hurdles, the ante post prices for him favour the JLT (16/1) but if you watch the races and read/listen to the interviews, I think stepping up in trip is a definite option for him and therefore I want him for the RSA. He’s a two time Grade 1 winner and with a trainer who knows how to win at Cheltenham. I don’t think they’ll make the same mistake as with Lostintranslation last year and run over the shorter JLT distance and get tapped for speed again. The price for the RSA of 33/1 is one of the best ante post prices you’ll find this season.

    Longhouse Poet - Martin Brassil - Ballymore - 33/1

    Whilst I don’t blindly follow the same connections to repeat festival successes, I think Martin Brassil could have a chance to do so in the Ballymore. Longhouse Poet won a Punchestown festival Bumper over 2m 2f beating an expensive Mullins/Ricci hot pot in the process. He looks to have the right blend of speed and stamina and I’m a big fan of his sire, Yeats. He won his PTP comfortably at odds on and although the form has not been tested much, the third has come out and won a PTP since.

    Master Debonair - Colin Tizzard - Supreme or Ballymore - 50/1 for both

    After running well in two early season Cheltenham Bumpers in quick times, I championed his cause for Festival success. He was disappointing on the day and didn’t show his true running as he was far too keen throughout. He went to Aintree and ran fifth in their Bumper but was not really involved in the finish. I’m going to stand by his early season form and also throw in that he was schooled over hurdles last year as it was being considered then. He’s wonderfully bred and, ignoring the festival run, relished the Cheltenham hill in his previous visits. He beat the Cheltenham Champion Bumper third (Thyme Hill) when winning his listed Bumper so the form from earlier in the season stacks up. Based on breeding I’m unsure of his trip as my instincts say Ballymore but Tizzard mentioned the Supreme in an interview. His price of 50/1 reflects his end of season form so I’m happy with the added value.

    Eldorado Allen - Colin Tizzard - Arkle or JLT - 50/1 for both

    Produced one of the best jumping performances by a novice hurdler last year but his season was ended due to injury. I can’t find any updates on if he will go chasing or not but his jumping ability and scope would lead me to think he will. He had a big reputation last year and due to his injury, he never featured at the business end of the season to know how good he actually is. At 50/1 I’m prepared to chance that his debut was only the start of bigger things to come.

    All prices with Bet365 for cash out purposes.

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    • Originally posted by TJW1990 View Post
      Good points, just looking for an angle away from the big races... Too much time on my hands I think!

      Just on Chante Neige has anybody heard any updates?
      Back in training, but not sure which trainer with

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      • Originally posted by billymag View Post
        Back in training, but not sure which trainer with
        Was with Willie I believe, assume that is still the case.

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        • Nice one Jackie, glad you like Reserve Tank, because I liked Sams Profile @ 40's for the RSA and that one has close form ties with RT, from Punchestown.

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          • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
            Was with Willie I believe, assume that is still the case.
            I asked someone today who spoke to Jared last week and thats what he said, could well be with Willie.

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            • Originally posted by billymag View Post
              I asked someone today who spoke to Jared last week and thats what he said, could well be with Willie.
              Was definitely last year anyway

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              • Nice looking shortlist JM.

                Very much agree with the Reserve Tank price too, certainly hard to find 33/1 about any dual grade 1 novice winner and very sound logic regarding the target

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                • Might Bite "has some interesting plans in the offing for him". Back hurdling?

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                  • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
                    I’ve managed to find some time to start compiling my 2019/2020 shortlist and decided to start with my less obvious candidates. Below are six from left field:

                    King Roland - Harry Fry - Albert Bartlett - 33/1

                    Arrived with Harry Fry after winning an English PTP for the Lacey’s. Won on Bumper debut in a performance that screamed ‘notebook’ despite an average field. Went on to win again in more workmanlike fashion and avoided the major spring festivals. Based on his two performances he seems like a relentless galloper and given his size and background, I can see him ending up over staying trips this season. The Albert Bartlett is always a tricky race to predict before the season starts but I’d want him onside before he makes his hurdles debut. The 33/1 with 365 is good enough for me.

                    The Big Getaway - Willie Mullins - Albert Bartlett - 33/1

                    An expensive purchase out of the Irish PTP scene for powerful connections. Ran in two bumpers finishing runner up both times, the second of which was at the Punchestown festival and the small field would not have helped him (the form is decent though). The Big Getaway is a HUGE horse so I’m not too worried that he was unsuccessful in his Bumpers. On breeding and running style he’s another I feel will end up over staying trips and his huge stride should devour the Cheltenham Hill if he’s good enough to line up. I’ll go a step further and say he’ll be lining up in the RSA the year after too.

                    Reserve Tank - Colin Tizzard - RSA - 33/1

                    He would not have been in too many notebooks prior to the Cheltenham Festival but he should be now. Finished the season with big wins at Aintree and Punchestown over two and a half miles but he looks like he could be a stayer to me. Because he has not run over 3 miles over hurdles, the ante post prices for him favour the JLT (16/1) but if you watch the races and read/listen to the interviews, I think stepping up in trip is a definite option for him and therefore I want him for the RSA. He’s a two time Grade 1 winner and with a trainer who knows how to win at Cheltenham. I don’t think they’ll make the same mistake as with Lostintranslation last year and run over the shorter JLT distance and get tapped for speed again. The price for the RSA of 33/1 is one of the best ante post prices you’ll find this season.

                    Longhouse Poet - Martin Brassil - Ballymore - 33/1

                    Whilst I don’t blindly follow the same connections to repeat festival successes, I think Martin Brassil could have a chance to do so in the Ballymore. Longhouse Poet won a Punchestown festival Bumper over 2m 2f beating an expensive Mullins/Ricci hot pot in the process. He looks to have the right blend of speed and stamina and I’m a big fan of his sire, Yeats. He won his PTP comfortably at odds on and although the form has not been tested much, the third has come out and won a PTP since.

                    Master Debonair - Colin Tizzard - Supreme or Ballymore - 50/1 for both

                    After running well in two early season Cheltenham Bumpers in quick times, I championed his cause for Festival success. He was disappointing on the day and didn’t show his true running as he was far too keen throughout. He went to Aintree and ran fifth in their Bumper but was not really involved in the finish. I’m going to stand by his early season form and also throw in that he was schooled over hurdles last year as it was being considered then. He’s wonderfully bred and, ignoring the festival run, relished the Cheltenham hill in his previous visits. He beat the Cheltenham Champion Bumper third (Thyme Hill) when winning his listed Bumper so the form from earlier in the season stacks up. Based on breeding I’m unsure of his trip as my instincts say Ballymore but Tizzard mentioned the Supreme in an interview. His price of 50/1 reflects his end of season form so I’m happy with the added value.

                    Eldorado Allen - Colin Tizzard - Arkle or JLT - 50/1 for both

                    Produced one of the best jumping performances by a novice hurdler last year but his season was ended due to injury. I can’t find any updates on if he will go chasing or not but his jumping ability and scope would lead me to think he will. He had a big reputation last year and due to his injury, he never featured at the business end of the season to know how good he actually is. At 50/1 I’m prepared to chance that his debut was only the start of bigger things to come.

                    All prices with Bet365 for cash out purposes.
                    Ooh your'e a smooth operator JackieMoon !! , i reckon you could sell sand to the Arab's !!.
                    Very nice case for all of those , I was looking at The Big getaway at the weekend , pencilled in for the Ballymore.
                    Reserve Tank Definitely on my Radar , but i was thinking of the L.i.t route ,so backed in the J.l.t .
                    Although i did put him in a multi early doors for the R.S.A . , El dorado allen somebody mentioned for the arkle .
                    but will hang on for that a while . deifinitely interested in the others.

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                    • Originally posted by BigChaang View Post
                      Ooh your'e a smooth operator JackieMoon !! , i reckon you could sell sand to the Arab's !!.
                      Very nice case for all of those , I was looking at The Big getaway at the weekend , pencilled in for the Ballymore.
                      Reserve Tank Definitely on my Radar , but i was thinking of the L.i.t route ,so backed in the J.l.t .
                      Although i did put him in a multi early doors for the R.S.A . , El dorado allen somebody mentioned for the arkle .
                      but will hang on for that a while . deifinitely interested in the others.
                      I have to convince myself it’s a good bet first as I don’t like to waste darts - all part of my diligence process.

                      The Big Getaway is a real beast (17 hands I think) so I’m only really interested in the Albert Bartlett. Doesn’t mean he won’t run over shorter though as I’m wrong way more than I’m right

                      It was actually me that mentioned Eldorado Allen in the Arkle thread but I added him on this list too as he’s one I’m keen on even if he stepped up in trip too.

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                      • JackieMoon, I am tempted to go with you on RESERVE TANK in the RSA having watched back his videos from earlier this year. He had only just turned five, had suffered an illness and interrupted preparation, but the evidence is there in his four race unbeaten run, that he is a smart horse, who travels well, jumps well, responds to driving and stays extremely well. He achieved an enormous amount in a small space of time, and given a full season over fences I hope to see him taking high order.

                        Of all of the Festival Novice Chase races, I would prefer him in the RSA, and the 33/1 with 365 is a standout price. Well researched, top stuff.
                        "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                        • Been keeping an eye on the forum great to see all the comments over the summer always entertaining views minella indo all day for me in the rsa if he can skip a fence in will gallop gallop and gallop them into the ground

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                          • Originally posted by Arkle View Post
                            Been keeping an eye on the forum great to see all the comments over the summer always entertaining views minella indo all day for me in the rsa if he can skip a fence in will gallop gallop and gallop them into the ground
                            Whilst Minella Indo certainly brings the best novice Hurdle form to the table, his price of 10/1 with Bet365 is shockingly bad. My usual position this early in the season is that I want at least 16/1 for any bet to be considered.

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                            • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
                              Whilst Minella Indo certainly brings the best novice Hurdle form to the table, his price of 10/1 with Bet365 is shockingly bad. My usual position this early in the season is that I want at least 16/1 for any bet to be considered.
                              12/1 Sky.
                              It is odd that we had Minella Indo in one of the early AP yankees for the RSA at 20/1, which you have to say is a decent price about a potato race winner, nothing has raced and there’s been little/no media attention on the race yet the horse has halved in price.
                              Was the 20/1 a massive error ?

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                              • I think WH had screwed up a little for a while too, though now rectified. They had Minella Indo @ 14's (boosted to 15.72) 'any race' for quite some time when he was as short as 8's for the RSA. Obviously I had to get involved in that.

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