Cheltenham 2019 Festival Going & Weather

[archie]

Think this is worth its own thread.

Hopefully these links will be updated with the latest reports but any word from Simon Claisse would be interesting. I think he might be watering sooner rather than later but, given that last year's incidents occurred on soft ground, I wouldn't expect him to flood the place as is being suggested in some places.

Going:

http://maps.turftrax.co.uk/latestgoi...rse=Cheltenham

Weather:

https://www.metcheck.com/WEATHER/16d...%20Racecourse#

[Quevega]

Think this is worth its own thread.

Hopefully these links will be updated with the latest reports but any word from Simon Claisse would be interesting. I think he might be watering sooner rather than later but, given that last year's incidents occurred on soft ground, I wouldn't expect him to flood the place as is being suggested in some places.

Going:

http://maps.turftrax.co.uk/latestgoi...rse=Cheltenham

Weather:
https://www.metcheck.com/WEATHER/16d...%20Racecourse#

They’ll start on soft side of good especially if it’s a dry forecast for race week

[archie]

Good to soft on the Tuesday has been the mantra for the last few years.

[Can't Catch Me]

Definitely worth its own thread, but experience tells me we wont know anything until a few days before.

[Quevega]

Good to soft on the Tuesday has been the mantra for the last few years.

Yep
Odds on it’s that. Especially if rain is forecast for the four days.
Just think they might go a bit further if dry forecast and we may end up soft in places on day one.
Or like last year the weather dictates and we are soft or worse

[Kevloaf]

Good to soft 1.01

Always the same


Back to reality ... at what point does the ground affect the bets you'll have ?

I've backed the majority of bets I'll have ante post ... if it came up heavy we've got no form to go on this year anyway?

The only real horses affected will be ones who thrive on good... but there are only about 2 that really spring to mind

[Quevega]

obsessed with vets now aren't we.
the ground may affect more race targets than actual horses chances bar one or two like you said

[doctorwu]

To much made of the ground Imo, great horses go on any ground.

[Kevloaf]

obsessed with vets now aren't we.
the ground may affect more race targets than actual horses chances bar one or two like you said

I'm not sure?

Unless it's heavy, will anything be changing target?

It can't be heavy can it? It was snowing this time last year and never cleared up?

I'll have to check the old thread for accuracy

[Quevega]

snow abandonments were end of feb begining of march, but there may have been snow before that. I cant remember.

[bobbyvalentino]

Good to soft 1.01

Always the same


Back to reality ... at what point does the ground affect the bets you'll have ?

I've backed the majority of bets I'll have ante post ... if it came up heavy we've got no form to go on this year anyway?

The only real horses affected will be ones who thrive on good... but there are only about 2 that really spring to mind

Heavy ground would be the final nail in this crazy season

I guess you've got a better idea with the chasers what type of ground they go on (e.g. instant cash out of Le Richebourg). The novice hurdlers I'd have to be more cautious with staking

[Kevloaf]

After Balko Des Flos and Tiger Roll won last year .... no chance I'd cash out anything to be honest.

Unless heavy, I doubt I'll have much to say in this thread.

You'll all be pleased to know haha

[archie]

To much made of the ground Imo, great horses go on any ground.

The most overused truism in racing.

Most horses go on any ground. Very few horses run to the same level on all goings.

[bobbyvalentino]

After Balko Des Flos and Tiger Roll won last year .... no chance I'd cash out anything to be honest.

Unless heavy, I doubt I'll have much to say in this thread.

You'll all be pleased to know haha

I think they are different because we (I also cashed both) were acting on the back of trainer vibes that they wouldn't go on the ground

Le Richebourg has stacks of form proving he won't go on very soft/heavy. He's one of my biggest bets going into this festival and I'd be stupid not to reduce that if the ground changed. That said, I think the preview circuit chat about it being softer on the Tuesday will be overplayed

[Quevega]

I think they are different because we (I also cashed both) were acting on the back of trainer vibes that they wouldn't go on the ground

Le Richebourg has stacks of form proving he won't go on very soft/heavy. He's one of my biggest bets going into this festival and I'd be stupid not to reduce that if the ground changed. That said, I think the preview circuit chat about it being softer on the Tuesday will be overplayed

What's your concern with Le Richebourg ?
He's not a dressage horse.
Why do you think he'll not try or perform just because the ground is softer ?
He's clearly got some stamina with the drinmore performance and has improved from last year and for jumping fences possibly.
They mentioned ground as an excuse last year as he didn't perform as they expected.
I don't think for a minute the horse won't act or has an attitude when running on soft.

It's the same /similar school of thought that people had with apple's jade not being quick enough for 2 miles. based on previous runs when elliot didn't have her right.
He immediately excused her runs due to her being a stayer and needing further, and he was dead wrong.