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Owner / Trainer Handicap Analysis - 2008 - 2018

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  • #61
    Originally posted by PadstheFish View Post
    In summary, I'd like to present Charlie's Guide to Handicap Betting at Cheltenham:

    1) Bet on Davy Russell
    2) Bet on Gigginstown, especially on the Martin Pipe and Brown Advisory
    3) Bet on Mullins in the Coral Cup, Martin Pipe and County Hurdle. Look out for Paul Townend
    4) Bet on Paul Nicholls in the Fred Winter, Martin Pipe, County Hurdle and Grand Annual
    5) Avoid Nicky Henderson (especially with his current focus being BVD and Altior)
    6) David Pipe is adequate each-way
    7) Avoid Jonjo O'Neill, especially as he tends to attract a fair bit of money

    Probably more to come!
    Excellent summary and useful first post. I am going to be doing quite a few more write ups on trainers/owners/jockeys, but i'l do a final summary with all findings on the Monday 11th.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by charlie View Post
      Davy Russell Handicap Performance 2008 – 2018

      The owner & trainer analysis has been so well received I thought I would look at Davy Russell’s handicap performance over the last decade.

      In short, the man is a genius in handicaps around Cheltenham and would probably be the first person to credit the trainers and owners for giving him the opportunity. The numbers do the talking, no more need be said.

      Year / Position / Horse / Price / Trainer

      Wins in bold
      Placed 2-4 in italics

      Ultima
      2017 / 3rd / Noble Endeavor / 15/2 / G Elliott
      2016 / 4th / Morning Assembly / 10/1 / P A Fahy
      2014 / F / Vintage Star / 16/1 / Mrs S J Smith
      2009 / 14th / Cailin Alainn / 13/2 / C Byrnes
      2008 / 2nd / New Alco / 10/1 / Ferdy Murphy

      Close Brothers
      2018 / PU / De Plotting Shed / 11/2 / G Elliott
      2017 / 3rd / Two Taffs / 7/1 / D Skelton
      2013 / PU / Carlito Brigante / 8/1 / G Elliott
      2012 / 15th / Going Wrong / 9/1 / Ferdy Murphy
      2011 / 6th / Tharawaat / 14/1 / G Elliott
      2009 / 9th / Slash And Burn / 20/1 / C F Swan
      2008 / 10th / Lord Ryeford / 20/1 / T R George

      Cross Country (Handicap from 2008 – 2015)
      2015 / 1st / Rivage D'Or / 16/1 / A J Martin
      2011 / RO / One Cool Cookie / 16/1 / C F Swan
      2010 / 13th / Preists Leap / 33/1 / T G O'Leary
      2009 / 5th / Dix Villez / 8/1 / P Nolan
      2008 / 2nd / Native Jack / 40/1 / P J Rothwell

      Coral Cup
      2018 / PU / Diamond King / 33/1 / G Elliott
      2016 / 1st / Diamond King / 12/1 / G Elliott
      2014 / PU / Party Rock / 28/1 / Jennie Candlish
      2013 / F / Un Beau Matin / 16/1 / G Elliott
      2012 / PU / Carlito Brigante / 16/1 / G Elliott
      2011 / 1st / Carlito Brigante / 16/1 / G Elliott
      2010 / 13th / Psycho / 7/1 / A J Martin
      2009 / 1st / Naiad du Misselot / 7/1 / Ferdy Murphy
      2008 / 10th / Ross River / 14/1 / A J Martin

      Fred Winter
      2017 / 10th / Long Call / 9/1 / A J Martin

      Pertemps
      2018 / 1st / Delta Work / 6/1 / G Elliott
      2017 / 1st / Presenting Percy / 11/1 / P G Kelly
      2016 / 1st / Mall Dini / 14/1 / P G Kelly
      2013 / 8th / Stonemaster / 14/1 / D T Hughes
      2010 / PU / Time Electric / 16/1 / T Mullins

      Brown Advisory
      2018 / 1st / The Storyteller / 5/1f / G Elliott
      2017 / PU / Diamond King / 5/1f / G Elliott
      2010 / PU / Made In Taipan / 25/1 / T Mullins
      2009 / 3rd / Notable D'Estruval / 8/1 / A L T Moore

      County Hurdle
      2018 / 11th / Ben Dundee / 12/1 / G Elliott
      2015 / 18th / Rich Coast / 25/1 / N Meade
      2011 / 21st / Grey Soldier / 14/1 / G Elliott
      2010 / 18th / Bahrain Storm / 33/1 / P J Flynn
      2008 / 13th / Eagle's Pass / 16/1 / T J O'Mara

      Grand Annual
      2018 / 3rd / Top Gamble / 8/1 / Kerry Lee
      2017 / 4th / Dandridge / 13/2 / A L T Moore
      2016 / 2nd / Dandridge / 8/1 / A L T Moore
      2014 / 1st / Savello / 16/1 / A J Martin
      2009 / 5th / Tiger Cry / 14/1 / A L T Moore
      2008 / 1st / Tiger Cry / 15/2 / A L T Moore

      Overall Summary

      Total Rides: 47
      Wins: 10 (21%)

      2nds: 3 (6%)
      3rds: 4 (8%)
      4ths: 2 (4%)

      A £10 level stake across all his handicap runners from 2008-2018 would leave you up +£735.

      Assuming you are paid 1-4 on a place, Davy has won or placed in 17/47 handicaps at Cheltenham, a strike rate of 40%.

      The average SP of Davy’s winner’s is 10/1.

      He has lost on 1 favourite in 47 rides (Diamond King, Brown Advisory 2017)

      Race Summary

      His best strike rates are in the Pertemps 3/5, and Coral Cup 3/9
      Never finished outside the top 5 in the Grand Annual.
      Never finished inside the top 10 in the County Hurdle
      Placed 1/7 in Close Brothers
      He has placed in 3/5 Ultima’s

      Trainer Summary

      His record for Pat Kelly is 2/2
      His record for Arthur Moore from 5 runs is 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th.
      His record for A J Martin 2 wins from 5 runs. Rivage D’or & Savello
      He has won 4 times for Gordon from 14 rides
      WOW brilliant
      Thanks mate
      Analysts supremo

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      • #63
        Originally posted by charlie View Post
        Excellent summary and useful first post. I am going to be doing quite a few more write ups on trainers/owners/jockeys, but i'l do a final summary with all findings on the Monday 11th.
        This really is superb stuff charlie. Can't imagine it was a quick thing to run through either.
        Brilliant

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        • #64
          Originally posted by charlie View Post
          Excellent summary and useful first post. I am going to be doing quite a few more write ups on trainers/owners/jockeys, but i'l do a final summary with all findings on the Monday 11th.
          Outstanding again Charlie. Loving the work

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          • #65
            Originally posted by jono View Post
            This really is superb stuff charlie. Can't imagine it was a quick thing to run through either.
            Brilliant
            I Agree , Thankyou Charlie , Hope you get some due reward for your effort this Festival.

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            • #66
              Thank you Charlie for that information, amazing analyse and something I wish I had read thoroughly before committing so many ante post accumulators. A massive help and very much appreciated.

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              • #67
                Fantastic stuff

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                • #68
                  Without getting too needy and greedy would you guys who clearly know your melons from your lemons be kind enough to post some horse selections that fit the criteria to compliment Charlie’s analysis?? I generally struggle with the big field handicap hurdles at the Festival so any horses that you think are worth backing based on analysis would be a big help. I appreciate we don’t know which jockeys will definitely be riding which horses especially Davy Russell but any horses to back a month before??

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                  • #69
                    Without getting too needy and greedy would you guys who clearly know your melons from your lemons be kind enough to post some horse selections that fit the criteria to compliment Charlie’s analysis?? I generally struggle with the big field handicap hurdles at the Festival so any horses that you think are worth backing based on analysis would be a big help. I appreciate we don’t know which jockeys will definitely be riding which horses especially Davy Russell but any horses to back a month before??

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by The King Pimm View Post
                      Without getting too needy and greedy would you guys who clearly know your melons from your lemons be kind enough to post some horse selections that fit the criteria to compliment Charlie’s analysis?? I generally struggle with the big field handicap hurdles at the Festival so any horses that you think are worth backing based on analysis would be a big help. I appreciate we don’t know which jockeys will definitely be riding which horses especially Davy Russell but any horses to back a month before??
                      I'l add a 'with a view to Cheltenham' to the final summary, looking at potential runners. Will summarize everything on Monday 11th as well

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                      • #71
                        Ok thanks Charlie, I’ll look to reading that cheers

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                        • #72
                          Been a while since I've posted chaps I've been busy as hell. Great insight from all involved.

                          Charlie all of this analysis is invaluable mate. Top man

                          How early do you think Russell will be jocked up, so we can claim some decent prices before the raceday gambles?

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                          • #73
                            Venetia Williams Handicap Performance 2008 – 2018

                            Nick, Ian and Evan made this far more time consuming than it had to be

                            Runners / Winners / Losing Fav / Placed 1-3

                            Ultima
                            15 / 0 / 0 / 0

                            Close Brothers
                            10 / 0 / 0 / 0

                            Cross Country (Handicap from 2008 – 2015)
                            0 / 0 / 0 / 0

                            Coral Cup
                            6 / 0 / 0 / 0

                            Fred Winter
                            8 / 0 / 0 / 0

                            Pertemps
                            7 / 1 / 0 / 0
                            2009 - Kayf Aramis 16/1

                            Brown Advisory
                            20 / 2 / 1 / 2
                            2013 – Carrickboy 50/1
                            2009 - Something Wells 33/1

                            Kim Muir
                            9 / 0 / 0 / 1

                            Martin Pipe
                            8 / 0 / 0 / 1

                            County Hurdle
                            5 / 0 / 0 / 0

                            Grand Annual
                            13 / 0 / 0 / 1

                            Summary

                            Total Handicap Runners: 101
                            Winners: 3
                            Placed: 3


                            A £10 level stake across all her handicap runners from 2008-2018 would leave you down -£10

                            Has never placed in the County Hurdle, Fred Winter, Coral Cup, Close Brothers or Ultima.

                            This is actually a really straightforward one to sum up. Open your Racing Post each morning during the festival, turn to the Cheltenham cards, take a pen and unless you see ‘Brown Advisory’ listed as the race in question, put a line through every one of VW runners and move on.

                            Season / Cheltenham Winners / Handicap Entries / Total NH Runners

                            2018 – 0 – 5 - 305
                            2017 – 0 – 9 - 312
                            2016 – 0 – 8 - 419
                            2015 – 0 – 9 - 441
                            2014 – 0 – 10 - 574
                            2013 – 1 – 14 - 533
                            2012 – 0 – 11 - 401
                            2011 – 0 – 9 - 372
                            2010 – 0 – 7 - 404
                            2009 – 2 – 13 - 424
                            2008 – 0 – 6 - 465

                            Conclusion with a view to Cheltenham

                            Ignore every runner VW sends to the Cheltenham festival unless it runs in the Brown Advisory. I love it when trainers target a handicap and VW sends more horses down the Brown Advisory route than any other race.

                            I have backed Cepage 14/1 EW NRNB Brown Advisory.

                            With Frodon now Gold Cup bound that form in Caspian Caviar Gold Cup is looking solid, as is beating BetVictor Gold Cup winner Baron Alco 17 lengths and Guitar Pete 15 lengths last time out (albeit receiving weight). Baron Alco was 2nd in the Brown Advisory in 2017 and Guitar Pete was 6th in the Brown Advisory last year.

                            If you watch the Caspian Caviar back (link below) Cepage jumps well, wings the 3rd last and as he comes down the hill Charlie Deutsch gives him a few reminders then realises quite quickly he had enough left to come up to Frodon. Was then pushed up the hill to mount a challenge, jumped the last 3 lengths down before rallying well to lose by a length. The way he rallied was eye catching, as was the improvement in his jumping in the Caspian Caviar Gold Cup vs his previous run at Cheltenham. He is still relatively young and there’s no reason to think there isn’t improvement in him

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                            replays/2018/12/15/#caspian_caviar_gold_cup_handicap_chase_grade_3

                            Venetia is having a brilliant season too. She’s already approaching last season’s prize-money total and there are just under 3 months of the season still left to go. Charlie Deutsch has been absolutely flying since his return and Venetia says "He’s so good from the front and it makes sense that he often goes there - you haven’t got horses intimidating you, you can get into a rhythm and you have a nice view of the fences”. Given Cepage had no problem following a strong pace set by Frodon in the Caspian Caviar, I think they will jump Cepage out prominently and try and win it from the front. The engine and desire to chase Frodon up that hill and is exactly what I want to be seeing from a horse over C&D before backing them for the Brown Advisory

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                            • #74
                              It is worth pointing out that P Townend was originally jocked up for Bleu Berry but had to switch to Max Dynamite after Ruby got injured.

                              Also out of the 'Davy Hcap' stats I see 2 Chris Jones horses ( Noble Endeavor 3rd ; Tiger Cry 5th and 1st ). Not bad without having to dig too deep.

                              Excellent stats etc btw. Thanks.

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                              • #75
                                Great stuff Charlie, need one for the BA so following you in on Cepage

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