Stupid Questions

[OverTheLast]

Thanks mate

https://www.fatjockey.com/forum/fat-jockey-horse-racing-forum/cheltenham-festival-2021/3081-non-runner-no-bet-post-1-for-updates/page27#post341203

[mossy]

Has anyone from Ireland been racing in the UK since COVID restrictions? Do our vaccine certs work instead of the NHS app for getting into racecourses?

[OscarWhisky]

I’m one of the ones with 70 with Betfair cash out bets. Was there a resolution/reason?

[thorne365]

Has anyone from Ireland been racing in the UK since COVID restrictions? Do our vaccine certs work instead of the NHS app for getting into racecourses?

went to chelt in december and had no problems [only had the cert on my phone but cant remember if i was actually asked for it or not]

[Muswell]

They work for football grounds so can’t see why they wouldn’t be accepted at racecourses etc

[mossy]

That's great, thanks lads

[Evesham Road]

I’m one of the ones with 70 with Betfair cash out bets. Was there a resolution/reason?

Thanks to all who responded. There are several with the same issue so there seems to be something systematic about it. I couldn't find any further info via their help pages nor get any sense out of the live chat virtual agent. Will try for a real person when I have the time to wait on hold!

[Madmoose]

I have a question on antepost multiples.

I know when I do a Canadian and I have none runners it drops to 4 or then 3 horse multiple but is this the same for antepost trebles and doubles or are those classed as losers if there is a nr via injury or changed race?

Regarding the Canadian I only noticed this last Cheltenham when I still had one that paid out when I had three winners and two injuries.

[Dandrew99]

I have a question on antepost multiples.

I know when I do a Canadian and I have none runners it drops to 4 or then 3 horse multiple but is this the same for antepost trebles and doubles or are those classed as losers if there is a nr via injury or changed race?

Regarding the Canadian I only noticed this last Cheltenham when I still had one that paid out when I had three winners and two injuries.

Depends if it's NRNB or not.

If you had a treble for example, with one horse out injured, with NRNB then it becomes a double on the two remaining legs, without it then it's a loser.

Bit different with canadians/yankees etc because they are made up of multiple legs. Without NRNB then any legs featuring the injured horse would be losers, but the legs not featuring them would still be live, with NRNB all of the legs featuring the injured horse are shortened (doubles become singles, trebles become doubles, etc).

[Quevega]

I have a question on antepost multiples.

I know when I do a Canadian and I have none runners it drops to 4 or then 3 horse multiple but is this the same for antepost trebles and doubles or are those classed as losers if there is a nr via injury or changed race?

Regarding the Canadian I only noticed this last Cheltenham when I still had one that paid out when I had three winners and two injuries.

Easier to explain as a yankee (11 bets)
A NR on antepost means you have 7 lost bets, and are left with 3 doubles and a treble with the remaining four bets.

If the Yankee was NRNB all bets would be still alive.
However, it would effectively be 3 singles 6 doubles and 2 trebles.

[Madmoose]

Thanks for explaining both, the bet last year wasn’t nrnb so I see I lost certain combinations, it paid out fine but beforehand I wrote the whole bet off with some not running and it not being nrnb.

[The Tank]

Hi chaps. Lurker turned poster, so thought i'd throw this in as a starter for 10.

Always wonder how people denominate their betting points? I had always worked on the basis that my betting bank was 100pts. So a 1 pt bet would be 1/100th of my betting bankroll. As an example, I staked what i would call 87.7 pts on Cheltenham last year,. I made an assessment at the start of the season what i wanted to staek in total pounds, and then allocated that out . As it happens, I staked in total a bit less than I had thought.

But i see some posters who bet 500pts+ on a festival (in fact, sure i've seen some in excess of 1,000...?). How are you allocating points. Surely one point i not a "normal bet" if you are staking 1,000? I suppose you might say it is if you are having 1,000 bets...

I guess its not massively important, but it's sometimes hard for me to guage how strongly people feel about a bet - if someone puts up a 5pt bet, for me thats a big bet, but from someone staking 1000 pts on Cheltenham, it is not.

Just interested really, i guess. Maybe i should change my bank to equate to 2,000 points and throw around 20pt bets left, right and centre so I feel like a big dog, bit boring betting 3pts per race

[Zachx02]

Hi chaps. Lurker turned poster, so thought i'd throw this in as a starter for 10.

Always wonder how people denominate their betting points? I had always worked on the basis that my betting bank was 100pts. So a 1 pt bet would be 1/100th of my betting bankroll. As an example, I staked what i would call 87.7 pts on Cheltenham last year,. I made an assessment at the start of the season what i wanted to staek in total pounds, and then allocated that out . As it happens, I staked in total a bit less than I had thought.

But i see some posters who bet 500pts+ on a festival (in fact, sure i've seen some in excess of 1,000...?). How are you allocating points. Surely one point i not a "normal bet" if you are staking 1,000? I suppose you might say it is if you are having 1,000 bets...

I guess its not massively important, but it's sometimes hard for me to guage how strongly people feel about a bet - if someone puts up a 5pt bet, for me thats a big bet, but from someone staking 1000 pts on Cheltenham, it is not.

Just interested really, i guess. Maybe i should change my bank to equate to 2,000 points and throw around 20pt bets left, right and centre so I feel like a big dog, bit boring betting 3pts per race

For me, since I'm a student I just set it to a stake which I'm comfortable placing without feeling like I'm going overboard. This is my first year doing antepost like this so really looking back on it I should have done a higher point value as right now its going to end up looking like I've bet a lot when I really haven't

[darlojim]

For me personally I use a 1-10pt system but very rarely go all the way up to a 10pt bet, think the highest bet ive had this year is 5pts on a single horse and my max pts for the fez is around 300pts. Everybody has their own way of it working for them but yeah you do see the odd 50pt bet or whatever which makes it hard to understand how much some people 'fancy' that particular bet. Each to their own though i guess.

[ToniC]

For me personally I use a 1-10pt system but very rarely go all the way up to a 10pt bet, think the highest bet ive had this year is 5pts on a single horse and my max pts for the fez is around 300pts. Everybody has their own way of it working for them but yeah you do see the odd 50pt bet or whatever which makes it hard to understand how much some people 'fancy' that particular bet. Each to their own though i guess.

1-10 is a good system IMO, I typically do 0.5-5 which I guess is basically the same scale. Rarely do I break out the big dog, maybe once every month or even less than that, last one was Farouk Dalene at Christmas .

As a rule of thumb, I typically break my staking down like this:
33/1+ = 0.5pt
16/1-25/1 = 1pt
10/1-16/1 = 1.5pt
6/1-10/1 = 2pt
3/1-6/1 = 3pt
<5/2 = 4pt

With 5 point bets generally being reserved for short priced horses that I think are very good value (obviously im looking for some degree of what I perceive as value before placing a bet in any case). This applies to other prices too, if I think a 16/1 shot should literally be about 5/1 I’m going to have more than just 1 point on. But I don’t overthink it either, if I go outside my general rule of thumb it’s more intuitive than anything deciding how much more to have on.

Level staking is not good IMO, I adopted a largely level stakes approach to the festival last year despite not operating like that with my regular betting. Level staking I think you’re giving a lot of value away on the shorter ones that you should be exploiting more (provided you’re getting it right) and giving money away on unlikely winners at the top end when stakes should be smaller, for all you might be getting the value, variance can be a bitch with events that have a <5% chance of happening.

I do have a large outlay on the festival, think I was over 200 points last year, but to be fair that include some 10 point lays that were hedges against existing positions so I guess I didn’t technically have that much at risk. But when you’re taking ~6 months to develop a position, it can become a fairly decent outlay by the time you get to March