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Question I have been asking myself of late but cannot find an answer from doing some online research. What factors would play into a horse being better/bad at going left/right handed?
I get it if the horse jumps left or right at hurdles/fences, you lose ground there. But let's take Cyrname as an example of a horse that jumps as straight as a gun barrel yet the thinking was he could only run right handed (since found untrue). Any thoughts? Could it be a mental issue with some horses also?
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Copied from EnvoyAllen's thread on preferences:
By and large, most horses are happy leading with either foreleg and switch without too much difficulty depending on whether they're going left-handed or right-handed (right leg lead on a left-handed course). Some, however, don't find it as easy. The longer the race, the bigger the issue, and with the added complication of jumping, this is almost exclusively a NH problem.
What it is all about is being in a rhythm to jump as efficiently as possible. Apart from the course direction, you have to consider its configuration. Undulations have an effect, as does the placement of fences/hurdles and whether there are long straights. Kemboy is a good example. Having won G1s at Aintree and Leopardstown, he obviously can go left-handed. Those two tracks feature long straights and his jumping there is generally very good. Cheltenham is on the turn for much of the circuit and, while he doesn't hate it, he doesn't seem to be able to get in the same rhythm. At G1 level that makes a difference. He also seems to enjoy it more when, other than given a good sight of the fence, left alone to do his own thing.
Other examples have been put forward and Desert Orchid is probably the most famous. He would emphatically not have won his Gold Cup if poor old Ten Plus had stood up. Another from my personal experience would be Lord Noelie. Although I didn't buy in until 3 years after his RSA win, it was made quite clear that he would not be running on right-handed tracks or on soft (or worse) going.
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Hi all, apologies if this is the wrong thread. I'm a novice and looking to learn more about the national hunt game. This site has been invaluable in my education. Can anyone recommend some books for beginners, I'm particularly interested in understanding handicaps more and also what is good to look for when watching a race. Thank you.
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astontom
There are endless options AT, I know Weatherbys used to do a great Cheltenham trends guide but the author went off and did his own thing so no idea what it’s like now but I remember them firing all sorts of mail my way about everything horse racing related, link below.
Best of luck
https://bettrendsshop.co.uk/betting/
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Originally posted by astontom View PostHi all, apologies if this is the wrong thread. I'm a novice and looking to learn more about the national hunt game. This site has been invaluable in my education. Can anyone recommend some books for beginners, I'm particularly interested in understanding handicaps more and also what is good to look for when watching a race. Thank you.
Guide to racing...
https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/...racing-series/https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/
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Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
My own site has some content that is aimed at yourself, if anything else related I'm missing there is of interest, feel free to reply on here.
Guide to racing...
https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/...racing-series/
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Think that covers all the rest .
Protected: Beginners Guide to Racing series (pt1) How to read a race card we will be starting off with a simple traditional look at how to read a racecard A Race card is a piece of information for …
But What is it about HANDICAPS that interst you, if I may ask, as it may be something that I'm missing, i can add, and possibly interest others beginners alsohttps://scooby91horseracingtips.com/
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Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
My own site has some content that is aimed at yourself, if anything else related I'm missing there is of interest, feel free to reply on here.
Guide to racing...
https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/...racing-series/
Originally posted by Scooby916. Using flat handicap ratings to predict juvenile hurdle races
Many horses convert from flat racing to hurdle racing.
Until they jump a hurdle no one is completely sure as to how the animal will take to National Hunt racing, one metric punters use is how highly they were rated on the flat.
A rule many use is to add 40Lbs from its flat rating, so if a horse is rated 65 on the flat this has him running to a mark of around 105.
The rule is nowhere near foolproof and i would strongly advise against it.
Forty pounds between codes is a solid basis for older horses. There are currently 440 in Britain with both flat and hurdle ratings, with the mean being 63.57 and 103.62, and median being 64 and 103. Curiously, the difference for juvenile hurdlers is an average of 45 pounds which is frankly ludicrous as it implies that despite being inexperienced, they are assumed to have improved to be better hurdlers than flat horses. If it is to account for the age allowance then it completely defeats the purpose of same.
I tend to use around thirty-five pounds as a rough guide and it is the figure I use to ascertain whether a horse has improved for the switch between codes. Since 2008/09, there have been 2571 juveniles who had official UK/IRE flat ratings and raced three times or more during their first jumps campaign. The average flat ratings are 64.14 mean, 64 median, but the average peak RPRs are 34.7 and 35 pounds higher respectively.
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Originally posted by Kotkijet View Post
This is fantastic work and well worth the read for anybody regardless of experience.
I agree that flat ratings in and off themselves are insufficient when it comes to looking at juvenile hurdlers. Nevertheless, in the broadest scope, class does tend to translate and there is also a correlation when it comes to their ability to jump safely.
Forty pounds between codes is a solid basis for older horses. There are currently 440 in Britain with both flat and hurdle ratings, with the mean being 63.57 and 103.62, and median being 64 and 103. Curiously, the difference for juvenile hurdlers is an average of 45 pounds which is frankly ludicrous as it implies that despite being inexperienced, they are assumed to have improved to be better hurdlers than flat horses. If it is to account for the age allowance then it completely defeats the purpose of same.
I tend to use around thirty-five pounds as a rough guide and it is the figure I use to ascertain whether a horse has improved for the switch between codes. Since 2008/09, there have been 2571 juveniles who had official UK/IRE flat ratings and raced three times or more during their first jumps campaign. The average flat ratings are 64.14 mean, 64 median, but the average peak RPRs are 34.7 and 35 pounds higher respectively.https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/
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Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
I will look into that into detail in the morning, many thanks for the reply, and very interesting
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