Arkle/Marsh/RSA/NH Chase - Novice Chasers 2021 (new)

[Lobos]

Slight variation on the sporting life comments about Elixir D'Ainay

Elixir D'ainay
6g Muhtathir - Perle Du Bocage
John P McManus
1/2/125F-
RPR 151h OR 149h
A really nice type to be going novice chasing with. His method of jumping and the speed he has means we will start him over two miles. He was far too keen when we tried him over two miles six at Leopardstown. I think we'll keep him between two and two and half miles. He's an easier ride over that trip. He's a tough ride for a jockey.

Kev will be doing back flips in his kitchen.

[Lobos]

I bagged Five O’Clock a long way back fortunately so I’m glad that one is still live. Managed to cash Aione out so no damage done and even made a small profit on him.

Split that profit between TBG and Lord Royal and you'll be sitting pretty.

[JackieMoon33]

Split that profit between TBG and Lord Royal and you'll be sitting pretty.

I still think TBG will be in the RSA. Whilst Joe Donnelly lets the trainers do what they think is best, I have a feeling TBG will perform to a level that will earn him the right to go for the marquee race (RSA). Lord Royal was not on my radar before but his lack of experience would put me off the NH Chase.

[Kevloaf]

Could make it more likely Janidil goes for the NH Chase - that would be interesting.

It could.....but.......

Janidil
6g Indian Daffodil - Janidouce
John P McManus
22/1115-
RPR 150h OR 149h
He goes novice chasing and he could be smart enough to go down the Arkle route. I know he ran in the Albert Bartlett, but he did all his winning prior to that over two miles.

[Kevloaf]

Why are people so convinced Easywork will avoid Envoi Allen and go RSA or Arkle?

He ran against Envoi Allen in the Ballymore... perfectly good run, came 2nd... the most logical race for Envoi Allen is the Marsh, so why isn't it for Easywork?

"He won't beat Envoi Allen" - well not on hurdles form, but that doesn't mean he'll be better over 2m or 3m, if Easyworks optimum looks like the intermediate trip, surely he's running there?




I have backed Easywork for the RSA, and the related double with Envoi Allen, but surely we're trying to be a bit too clever in ruling out the most obvious target for him?

[nortonscoin200]

It could.....but.......

Janidil
6g Indian Daffodil - Janidouce
John P McManus
22/1115-
RPR 150h OR 149h
He goes novice chasing and he could be smart enough to go down the Arkle route. I know he ran in the Albert Bartlett, but he did all his winning prior to that over two miles.

Yep, it's not looking good for the NH Chase.

Willie presumably thinks the AB experiment backfired.

I'm still convinced he doesn't have the raw pace to be a top two-mile chaser.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him turn up in the Brown Advisory - novices have won the last four.

I'm also on board TWAR.

But maybe JP will have other ideas when Janidil doesn't cut the mustard as an Arkle contender.

It's gonna be fun finding out.

[nortonscoin200]

Why are people so convinced Easywork will avoid Envoi Allen and go RSA or Arkle?

He ran against Envoi Allen in the Ballymore... perfectly good run, came 2nd... the most logical race for Envoi Allen is the Marsh, so why isn't it for Easywork?

"He won't beat Envoi Allen" - well not on hurdles form, but that doesn't mean he'll be better over 2m or 3m, if Easyworks optimum looks like the intermediate trip, surely he's running there?




I have backed Easywork for the RSA, and the related double with Envoi Allen, but surely we're trying to be a bit too clever in ruling out the most obvious target for him?

For me the jury is still out on Marsh v RSA.

Stamina not speed won him today's race which was on very deep ground.

So I don't think it's possible for anyone to say whether his best trip will be Marsh or RSA at this stage.

I'm on for the RSA and if he goes Marsh I can't back him to beat Envoi Allen. I'm not very excited by the TWAR odds either.

So reckon it's a case of sit back and hope for the best.

[ComplyOrDie]

Yep, it's not looking good for the NH Chase.

Willie presumably thinks the AB experiment backfired.

I'm still convinced he doesn't have the raw pace to be a top two-mile chaser.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him turn up in the Brown Advisory - novices have won the last four.

I'm also on board TWAR.

But maybe JP will have other ideas when Janidil doesn't cut the mustard as an Arkle contender.

It's gonna be fun finding out.

I agree with you NC.

I've never got the love shown to Janidil. He's more likely a handicap plot than any form of G1 winning chaser.

His best hurdles run was in the Bartlett, IMO, his 2m stuff is OK, but it is handicap level, and that's it.

[Hardy Eustace]

Why are people so convinced Easywork will avoid Envoi Allen and go RSA or Arkle?

He ran against Envoi Allen in the Ballymore... perfectly good run, came 2nd... the most logical race for Envoi Allen is the Marsh, so why isn't it for Easywork?

"He won't beat Envoi Allen" - well not on hurdles form, but that doesn't mean he'll be better over 2m or 3m, if Easyworks optimum looks like the intermediate trip, surely he's running there?




I have backed Easywork for the RSA, and the related double with Envoi Allen, but surely we're trying to be a bit too clever in ruling out the most obvious target for him?

I am with you on this Kev. It is just not in Giggi's nature to be afraid of one horse. I do really like Easywork and would love him to run in the RSA but I think the Marsh has to be favourite.

[Can't Catch Me]

Why are people so convinced Easywork will avoid Envoi Allen and go RSA or Arkle?

He ran against Envoi Allen in the Ballymore... perfectly good run, came 2nd... the most logical race for Envoi Allen is the Marsh, so why isn't it for Easywork?

"He won't beat Envoi Allen" - well not on hurdles form, but that doesn't mean he'll be better over 2m or 3m, if Easyworks optimum looks like the intermediate trip, surely he's running there?




I have backed Easywork for the RSA, and the related double with Envoi Allen, but surely we're trying to be a bit too clever in ruling out the most obvious target for him?

I can see your point here Kev. However, I suppose the counter argument is that Gordon had Abacadabras last season who they clearly rated very highly. Him and EA were probably their two standout novices, so they may well have felt it didn't matter where Easywork went, as he wouldn't beat either horse. Also the fact Aba is a Gigg horse meant it made even more sense for them to go for the Ballymore as they had Fury Road as their AB horse so three good darts in each and their three best novices split accordingly.

With Aba and Fury Road staying hurdling, its quite possible Easywork is Gigg's best novice chaser and Gordons second best after EA. Felix Desjy is perhaps the only horse you could say is a genuine Arkle horse for them but Im not convinced he's in Easyworks's class.

For me Easywork is Gordons second best novice chaser so I cant see him running his two best against each other... which was also the case with EA and Aba last season.

[Eggs]

With Aione staying over hurdles and now Janidil dropping back in trip, Patrick is left with The Big Getaway as his 4 mile horse. Simples.

...reading the Mullins stable tour comment, I suspect that might be the current thinking. Big Getaway NHC and Lord Royal RSA.

I’ve had a little interest on that double.

[Lobos]

Reading Mullins full stable tour I can't help but think The Big Getaway will be their 4 mile horse. I think Patrick will get his way.

[Can't Catch Me]

Of over 60 bets with bet365, the only one that i cant cash out is Easywork RSA. Anyone else got the same? Seems odd. Also annoying!

[Pendil]

Of over 60 bets with bet365, the only one that i cant cash out is Easywork RSA. Anyone else got the same? Seems odd. Also annoying!

Have you checked CCM that you weren't using credits when backing Easywork RSA. For me the only ones I cant cash out with B365 are credits

[Craigy14]

Of over 60 bets with bet365, the only one that i cant cash out is Easywork RSA. Anyone else got the same? Seems odd. Also annoying!

I can cash out for a loss which is strange when he won yesterday, did Elliott’s post race say anything?

You can’t back him for the RSA, it’s like not highlighted, dimmed his name out although still there. Can back Marsh.

Edit - they have reinstated him at 33/1 for RSA. That will explain the loss on cashout but bit confusing as to why after winning.