Arkle/Marsh/RSA/NH Chase - Novice Chasers 2021 (new)

[ComplyOrDie]

Paul Nicholls or Harry Durham (I can't recall which one) hinted that McFabulous might go Novice chasing this coming season* after resuming initially over hurdles. I have backed him already for the Stayers Hurdle but if he can jump a fence then I'm wondering whether the RSA could be his target rather than shorter distances.

I thought he was staying over hurdles. He was the one I am most interested to go novice chasing, as per previous and last seasons posts about him, but left him out purely on the basis I thought he was staying over hurdles.

Exciting if he does go over fences!

[The King Pimm]

I sound like a broken record sorry but Paul Nicholls also has Trevelyns Corn who cost connections £400k. Nicholls has always stated he was purchased with Chasing the plan. He had a poor hurdles campaign and was not seen much last season but he may emerge from the shadows this year and may end up fulfilling his potential

[ComplyOrDie]

I sound like a broken record sorry but Paul Nicholls also has Trevelyns Corn who cost connections £400k. Nicholls has always stated he was purchased with Chasing the plan. He had a poor hurdles campaign and was not seen much last season but he may emerge from the shadows this year and may end up fulfilling his potential

Was everything OK with the horse after being PU LTO?

Be 8 next season, bit of a worry he's only been seen 4 times under rules, has he had issues?

Been inconsistent so far in his career, not sure that is one of the hallmarks to be one of Nicholls' better horses.

[ComplyOrDie]

Yeah I know the AB loves a "flopper" going forward so to speak, just don't see the appeal of him over further. We all know Willie don't arse about with the brown plate/Ultima ,only intermediate trip of the Marsh not many will want to take on Envoi if sticking there potentially so could end up an RSA type not that he's light there next season. If Gordy had him he'd be plotting him to lose a few lbs already and he'd be a steady anyrace poke.

I'm with you Outlaw, regarding Janidil and the NH Chase.

He's got as much handicap plot credentials (standard with every JP horse ) as he has NH Chase or RSA prospects, IMO. Any Race surely the way to go.

Breeding would suggest he isn't a stayer, despite an OK run in the Bartlett. Shown enough speed over 2m that wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at the intermediate trip.

[nortonscoin200]

I'm with you Outlaw, regarding Janidil and the NH Chase.

He's got as much handicap plot credentials (standard with every JP horse ) as he has NH Chase or RSA prospects, IMO. Any Race surely the way to go.

Breeding would suggest he isn't a stayer, despite an OK run in the Bartlett. Shown enough speed over 2m that wouldn't surprise me if he ended up at the intermediate trip.

I agree with you CoD that Any Race is probably now the way to go with Janidil now the best price has been cut to 33s - as Hills offer 22-1 with boost twar.

But if Janidil goes chasing this season and Willie tries to find a race for him to win at the Festival I reckon he's almost bound to decide the NH Chase is by far his easiest target.

I don't think he's going to win any of the other championship novice chases and - as Outlaw said - Willie is unlikely to target him at a handicap.

To say his run in the AB was "ok" is probably being a bit harsh imo. I was disappointed because I thought Janidil was a genuine contender. But he travelled very comfortably through the race and basically got tapped for toe in the last furlong.

I really rate the first four in the AB and Janidil beat the rest comfortably enough.

It's likely he won't have to face anything as classy as the top four in the AB if he lines up for the 4-miler.

But I entirely accept what you say about JP's handicap plot credentials. It wouldn't surprise me to see him turn up in the Coral Hurdle where he would certainly be of interest which is why the any race is probably the safest strategy at this stage.

But if Janidil's first race next season is over jumps I'd say it's 75 per cent certain he ends up in the NH Chase.

[JackieMoon33]

I agree with you CoD that Any Race is probably now the way to go with Janidil now the best price has been cut to 33s - as Hills offer 22-1 with boost twar.

But if Janidil goes chasing this season and Willie tries to find a race for him to win at the Festival I reckon he's almost bound to decide the NH Chase is by far his easiest target.

I don't think he's going to win any of the other championship novice chases and - as Outlaw said - Willie is unlikely to target him at a handicap.

To say his run in the AB was "ok" is probably being a bit harsh imo. I was disappointed because I thought Janidil was a genuine contender. But he travelled very comfortably through the race and basically got tapped for toe in the last furlong.

I really rate the first four in the AB and Janidil beat the rest comfortably enough.

It's likely he won't have to face anything as classy as the top four in the AB if he lines up for the 4-miler.

But I entirely accept what you say about JP's handicap plot credentials. It wouldn't surprise me to see him turn up in the Coral Hurdle where he would certainly be of interest which is why the any race is probably the safest strategy at this stage.

But if Janidil's first race next season is over jumps I'd say it's 75 per cent certain he ends up in the NH Chase.

Did he get tapped for toe or did the tank empty?

The way he was ridden you'd have expected him to have been doing his best work at then end of the race. Although the NH Chase is the easiest of the novice races, you still have to stay the trip.

[The King Pimm]

Was everything OK with the horse after being PU LTO?

Be 8 next season, bit of a worry he's only been seen 4 times under rules, has he had issues?

Been inconsistent so far in his career, not sure that is one of the hallmarks to be one of Nicholls' better horses.

I don’t know CoD, I’ve not seen or heard anything mentioned about Trevelyns Corn since his last race so there may well be an issue with him. I’d imagine the owners will be gutted if he is injured or something is a miss as they paid a fortune for him.

[ComplyOrDie]

I agree with you CoD that Any Race is probably now the way to go with Janidil now the best price has been cut to 33s - as Hills offer 22-1 with boost twar.

But if Janidil goes chasing this season and Willie tries to find a race for him to win at the Festival I reckon he's almost bound to decide the NH Chase is by far his easiest target.

I don't think he's going to win any of the other championship novice chases and - as Outlaw said - Willie is unlikely to target him at a handicap.

To say his run in the AB was "ok" is probably being a bit harsh imo. I was disappointed because I thought Janidil was a genuine contender. But he travelled very comfortably through the race and basically got tapped for toe in the last furlong.

I really rate the first four in the AB and Janidil beat the rest comfortably enough.

It's likely he won't have to face anything as classy as the top four in the AB if he lines up for the 4-miler.

But I entirely accept what you say about JP's handicap plot credentials. It wouldn't surprise me to see him turn up in the Coral Hurdle where he would certainly be of interest which is why the any race is probably the safest strategy at this stage.

But if Janidil's first race next season is over jumps I'd say it's 75 per cent certain he ends up in the NH Chase.

Points taken NC, and if you have the 50's then fair play, but he'd have to show he stays first, as I also agree with Jackie, I think the tank emptied, I don't think he was done for pace in Bartlett.

Drop in trip or a handicap is what I expect, to be perfectly honest, and he interests me at the 'any race' price for either of them options.

[ComplyOrDie]

I don’t know CoD, I’ve not seen or heard anything mentioned about Trevelyns Corn since his last race so there may well be an issue with him. I’d imagine the owners will be gutted if he is injured or something is a miss as they paid a fortune for him.

The amount anyone pays is largely insignificant, in terms of what they do on the track, but of course you'd feel for connections should something have happened, though no actual news, maybe someone can drop the Nicholls yard a message to find out?

[nortonscoin200]

Points taken NC, and if you have the 50's then fair play, but he'd have to show he stays first, as I also agree with Jackie, I think the tank emptied, I don't think he was done for pace in Bartlett.

Drop in trip or a handicap is what I expect, to be perfectly honest, and he interests me at the 'any race' price for either of them options.

Confession time: I do have a bit of a soft spot for Janidil and probably make excuses for him a bit too readily.

You and Jackie and Outlaw are probably right about the NH Chase. In which case I'll happily settle for him bolting up in the Coral Cup!!

[JackieMoon33]

Confession time: I do have a bit of a soft spot for Janidil and probably make excuses for him a bit too readily.

You and Jackie and Outlaw are probably right about the NH Chase. In which case I'll happily settle for him bolting up in the Coral Cup!!

I like the horse too to be fair and would have backed him in a handicap at Cheltenham as I thought he was still on a good mark. Turned out they didn’t need him for the County or Coral as they had them covered easily.

[Bonjers]

The amount anyone pays is largely insignificant, in terms of what they do on the track, but of course you'd feel for connections should something have happened, though no actual news, maybe someone can drop the Nicholls yard a message to find out?

He was definitely out of training after the horror show at Chepstow. Nicholls updates his website with horses who are out of training pretty regularly and he was in there for the rest of the season.

[somer1]

Paul Nicholls or Harry Durham (I can't recall which one) hinted that McFabulous might go Novice chasing this coming season* after resuming initially over hurdles. I have backed him already for the Stayers Hurdle but if he can jump a fence then I'm wondering whether the RSA could be his target rather than shorter distances.

Skybet has McFabulous at 16s for any race

[FaugheenTheMachine]

Does anyone else get put off backing Nicholl’s horses at Cheltenham these days? He’s still the master at mopping up big races on a Saturday through the season but I just can’t really back his for the Festival anymore. Henderson, Mullins and Elliot stronghold

[Lobos]

Does anyone else get put off backing Nicholl’s horses at Cheltenham these days? He’s still the master at mopping up big races on a Saturday through the season but I just can’t really back his for the Festival anymore. Henderson, Mullins and Elliot stronghold

Agreed. He does seem to climax a little earlier. Probably planned as he realises how tough it is at the fez taking on the 2 big guns.