Arkle/Marsh/RSA/NH Chase - Novice Chasers 2021 (new)

[isitmarchyet]

He was one of the best jumpers of a hurdle I'd seen when he won at Sandown a couple of years back. I've failed to get a run out of him at the festival two years in a row though and I need to consider my now marmite relationship with Mr Tizzard.

Yeah, that Sandown run has always stuck with me. Not as optimistic about his chances as I was a year ago but still feel he has a big win in him somewhere. Got him added to the Arkle market with 365 at 33/1. Was hoping for a bit bigger really.

[Run4Home]

Comments from Paul Suggest not an Arkle Type anyway for Pic

Pic D'Orhy: Last year, we didn't run him in the Champion Hurdle
We never thought he's been a champion hurdler or a speedy horse.
He's a really staying, chasing type of horse.

[ComplyOrDie]

Comments from Paul Suggest not an Arkle Type anyway for Pic

[FONT="]Pic D'Orhy: Last year, we didn't run him in the Champion Hurdle
We never thought he's been a champion hurdler or a speedy horse.[/FONT]
He's a really staying, chasing type of horse.

That's what I took from it too Crolwey

That said, Pic D'Orhys breeding wouldn't have me in a rush to back him for the more staying trips.

[Outlaw]

Comments from Paul Suggest not an Arkle Type anyway for Pic

[FONT="]Pic D'Orhy: Last year, we didn't run him in the Champion Hurdle
We never thought he's been a champion hurdler or a speedy horse.[/FONT]
He's a really staying, chasing type of horse.

Stayers win Arkles anyway , possibility of Marsh of course but can't envisage him in an RSA. Pocket talk would I like to see him in the Arkle should he proove good enough.

[Hardy Eustace]

Despite Paul's comments, I still think he will run in the arkle. IMO, he will probably find a couple too good but may sneak a place. Mental to think it is 17 going on 18 years since Paul Nicholls last won an arkle.

[jono]

A year on, different discipline but that's interesting given both the trainer and jockey said Pic D'orhy didn't get home over 2m3 at Ascot in January. It is quite a vague statement though "a really staying, chasing type of horse" in regards to dictating targets.

I'd have little interest with him over anything further than 2 miles myself.

[EnvoyAllen]

Stayers win Arkles anyway , possibility of Marsh of course but can't envisage him in an RSA. Pocket talk would I like to see him in the Arkle should he proove good enough.

When you say ‘stayers win Arkles anyway’ does that suggest you’ve been putting money for the last decade on Usain Bolt to win Olympic Gold in the 5000 metres??

Never known such a worn cliché.

The horses that run the quickest with high cruising speeds win Arkles and Champion Chases.

Just like Usain Bolt used to travel 100 metres in 9 and a half seconds and win Olympic Gold medals.

Staying horses win races over 3 miles.

Just like Mo Farah used to travel 5 and 10km and win Olympic Gold medals.

[jack1092]

When you say ‘stayers win Arkles anyway’ does that suggest you’ve been putting money for the last decade on Usain Bolt to win Olympic Gold in the 5000 metres??

Never known such a worn cliché.

The horses that run the quickest with high cruising speeds win Arkles and Champion Chases.

Just like Usain Bolt used to travel 100 metres in 9 and a half seconds and win Olympic Gold medals.

Staying horses win races over 3 miles.

Just like Mo Farah used to travel 5 and 10km and win Olympic Gold medals.

You're back on about this again....

[EnvoyAllen]

Who was the last Arkle winner of the last 2 decades that subsequently took part in a Gold Cup later in his career?

I’ve looked.

I’ll let you do your homework.

Clue - it won’t take long.

[jack1092]

Who was the last Arkle winner of the last 2 decades that subsequently took part in a Gold Cup later in his career?

I’ve looked.

I’ll let you do your homework.

Clue - it won’t take long.

Good on you for looking. I won't waste my time thanks

[Faugheen_Machine]

Who was the last Arkle winner of the last 2 decades that subsequently took part in a Gold Cup later in his career?

I’ve looked.

I’ll let you do your homework.

Clue - it won’t take long.

Foot and Mouth stopped Best Mate from running in the Arkle. He was Ante Post favourite at the time, as was Kauto Star before he got injured.

In answer to your question though, it was Tidal Bay.

[ComplyOrDie]

When you say ‘stayers win Arkles anyway’ does that suggest you’ve been putting money for the last decade on Usain Bolt to win Olympic Gold in the 5000 metres??

Never known such a worn cliché.

The horses that run the quickest with high cruising speeds win Arkles and Champion Chases.

Just like Usain Bolt used to travel 100 metres in 9 and a half seconds and win Olympic Gold medals.

Staying horses win races over 3 miles.

Just like Mo Farah used to travel 5 and 10km and win Olympic Gold medals.

I guess you completely ignored the emoji used by Outlaw? I assume because you was too bothered about thinking which tangent to take the conversation

You'd be better placed making your point against horses that have already been, run and tried, like Sizing John & Kicking King, who both finished 2nd an Arkle but won Gold Cups, like Best mate who finished 2nd in a Supreme but won 3 Gold Cups

I'd say in the early stages of a horses career, even if they are seen as future Stayers, they can still go close over the top 2m races.

On the whole though you are correct, they rarely actually win them, but they are not without hope.

All in all I don't think Pic D'Orhy is a staying chaser for the festival at least, might get 3m on a flatter track though.

[jackh50]

Apologies if this has already been covered but Gordon Says he will be amazed if Envoi Allen will go over 3 miles in the UK in his novice season and in his heart believes he will go to the Marsh, but maybe will go over 3 miles in Ireland at some point.

This is in the first 10 minutes of his Betfair stable tour podcast.

[Quevega]

When you say ‘stayers win Arkles anyway’ does that suggest you’ve been putting money for the last decade on Usain Bolt to win Olympic Gold in the 5000 metres??

Never known such a worn cliché.

The horses that run the quickest with high cruising speeds win Arkles and Champion Chases.

Just like Usain Bolt used to travel 100 metres in 9 and a half seconds and win Olympic Gold medals.

Staying horses win races over 3 miles.

Just like Mo Farah used to travel 5 and 10km and win Olympic Gold medals.

What a rubbish analogy. Certainly not worthy of repeating. Your first sentence is as condescending as you've gotten. And you've pushed the boundaries.

There's a world of difference in the distances you've used.
You remind me of a kid who thought he was very smart, until I asked him what the distance was to the moon ?

He replied, "about 23 miles".
And he was being serious.

Your analogy to be even close to being accurate should be how good would Usain Bolt be at running over 300 metres.
But I bet he'd still be decent at that. So it doesn't suit your argument.

And using Mo Farah actually negates your argument.
He won Olympic titles at both 5000 metres and 10000 metres. That's twice the distance. - He then wasn't bad at Marathons !

But you're suggesting horses going from 2 mile to 3 mile are almost different breeds.

Class is class, and a class horse will be able to compete at a high level over most trips, although the precocity for speed will wain as they age.

And particularly before we had championship races over the intermediate trip, it was common for horses to run over 2m and end up in the staying division.

It's a natural progression for a mammal, to start to lose speed and become more stamina laden as you age.

[Quevega]

Moon is about 238,800 miles away.
For those that were wondering.

And it's made of Cheese.