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Arkle/Marsh/RSA/NH Chase - Novice Chasers 2021 (new)

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  • #766
    Darver Star will more likely run in the Marsh. I added trainer quotes a while ago that it’s fences and a step up in trip.
    Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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    • #767
      Originally posted by Spectre
      Darver Star will more likely run in the Marsh. I added trainer quotes a while ago that it’s fences and a step up in trip.
      Can't see it at all. Dual Champion Hurdle placed horse will not be running in Marsh and taking on Envoi. Owner was adamant after finishing 3rd behind Eptante that the Arkle is where they would be heading. He's already ran over 2 1/2 over hurdles so it's not as if he'll be stepping up for the first time. I think they will take in soft 2 and 2 1/2 mile Novice chases with him before heading to the Arkle.

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      • #768
        Originally posted by Quevega
        Shishkin is worthy favourite, so most likely winner on what we know right now.

        I'd personally like to see owners and trainers show more imagination when campaigning these animals.
        And I'd let Shishkin go for the Champion hurdle, and send Epatante over fences.
        But they won't, cos they're boring.

        Imagine if they did though.
        It'd shake it up a bit wouldn't it.
        How is Shiskin a worthy fav before jumping a fence ??

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        • #769
          Originally posted by Lobos
          How is Shiskin a worthy fav before jumping a fence ??
          Is Envoi Allen a worthy favourite in the Marsh and RSA?

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          • #770
            Originally posted by JackieMoon33
            Is Envoi Allen a worthy favourite in the Marsh and RSA?
            I'd say so yes but a desperate price obviously. Of the horses likely to go for the Marsh/RSA he'd be the top rated horse over hurdles.

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            • #771
              Sharjah might be the top rated hurdler going chasing, and deserved fav for the Arkle - if we knew he was going over fences.
              "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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              • #772
                Originally posted by Saxon Warrior
                Sharjah might be the top rated hurdler going chasing, and deserved fav for the Arkle - if we knew he was going over fences.
                Shishkin would still be favourite though.
                Surely you wouldn’t price Sharjah in front?

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                • #773
                  Originally posted by Quevega
                  Shishkin would still be favourite though.
                  Surely you wouldn’t price Sharjah in front?
                  I wouldn’t, but there wouldn’t be a big gap between them.

                  3/1 and 4/1 for Shishkin and Envoi Allen in the two markets, is absolutely awful.
                  But the bookies knew that punters would back those horse whatever price they put up to start with - so they gave up less than nothing with their pricing.
                  "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                  • #774
                    Is Sharjah in the any race market anywhere? I couldn’t see him on there

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                    • #775
                      Originally posted by Saxon Warrior
                      I wouldn’t, but there wouldn’t be a big gap between them.

                      3/1 and 4/1 for Shishkin and Envoi Allen in the two markets, is absolutely awful.
                      But the bookies knew that punters would back those horse whatever price they put up to start with - so they gave up less than nothing with their pricing.
                      The prices are shite.
                      And you lied in your original comment.
                      You’ve been a very very naughty boy.

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                      • #776
                        Originally posted by Quevega
                        The prices are shite.
                        And you lied in your original comment.
                        You’ve been a very very naughty boy.
                        Who's top?

                        I didnt lie (harsh ), I said "might".
                        "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                        • #777
                          Originally posted by Saxon Warrior
                          Who's top?

                          I didnt lie (harsh ), I said "might".
                          I was referring to the “deserved favourite” comment.

                          It would be harsh to say you’re not reading things properly but I’ll not say that.

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                          • #778
                            Originally posted by Quevega
                            I was referring to the “deserved favourite” comment.

                            It would be harsh to say you’re not reading things properly but I’ll not say that.
                            I'll get my coat.
                            Goodbye.

                            The “deserved favourite” comment was linked to being the top rated hurdler, not my personal opinion.

                            Official Hurdle Ratings (for possible novice chasers)

                            Sharjah (7yo) 164
                            If The Cap Fits (8yo) 162
                            Klassical Dream (6yo) 160
                            Darver Star (8yo) 160
                            Envoi Allen (6yo) 160
                            Cornerstone Lad (6yo) 159
                            Saldier (6yo) 159
                            Shishkin (6yo) 159
                            Pentland Hills (5yo) 156

                            The ratings suggest a lot of potentially highly rated novice chasers at 2M-2M4F.
                            Plus If The Cap Fits and Envoi Allen with potential to stay further, if asked.
                            "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                            • #779
                              Originally posted by Saxon Warrior
                              I'll get my coat.
                              Goodbye.

                              The “deserved favourite” comment was linked to being the top rated hurdler, not my personal opinion.

                              Official Hurdle Ratings (for possible novice chasers)

                              Sharjah (7yo) 164
                              If The Cap Fits (8yo) 162
                              Klassical Dream (6yo) 160
                              Darver Star (8yo) 160
                              Envoi Allen (6yo) 160
                              Cornerstone Lad (6yo) 159
                              Saldier (6yo) 159
                              Shishkin (6yo) 159
                              Pentland Hills (5yo) 156

                              The ratings suggest a lot of potentially highly rated novice chasers at 2M-2M4F.
                              Plus If The Cap Fits and Envoi Allen with potential to stay further, if asked.
                              Yep.
                              Pretty sure I didn't interpret/read your comment correctly the first time either.
                              In context with other peoples previous comments, it becomes clearer for sure.

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                              • #780
                                We really need some horses to jump some sticks don't we

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