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ffs as impressive as allmankind was, 20/1 for the arkle is a real stinker of a price.
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Not seen Allmankind yet, but already I think Grand Annual
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I caught the tale end of the race so can’t comment how good he was but thought Grand Annual before the race. When I read before the race Dan Skeltons comments about having to convince his brother Harry and owners that Allmankind should try chasing I had my reservations. They like Grand Annual horse and a chaotic 2 mile charge might suit AllmankindOriginally posted by KevloafNot seen Allmankind yet, but already I think Grand AnnualComment
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Jumped well like so many of Skeltons novices this season, worth noting Magic Saint, Dolos two good 5yo who failed to crack it.I like AMK but i'd place him in small fields pick up what prize money i could and come March, an Arkle placing if good enough, may be easier than contesting a Grand annual.Originally posted by KevloafNot seen Allmankind yet, but already I think Grand AnnualComment
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He has to run from the front too and you can’t guarantee he’ll get an easy lead in a race like the Grand Annual either.Originally posted by Outlaw
Skeltons do really jump well though for novices.Comment
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Yup, also chuck in they will rate him at worst high 140s after todays easy win given previous hurdle form too(not saying that is right but inevitably it will be considered) hard to envisage him rated sub 150 come March really unless he has two average runs now. In those scenarios when touching 150 your better off going into the novice race the majority of the time as if you can win a hcap off around 150 as a novice your essentially a graded horse anyway.Originally posted by JackieMoon33Comment
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I don't like novices for the Grand annual myself, and didn;t they have one die in it a couple of years ago (North Hill Harvey)Originally posted by Outlaw
They've not ran a novice in it since.
I also have in the back of my mind that it's hard to win the Annual from the front, but I may be wrong with that. I genuinely cant remember, but can picture a lot coming through travelling well to win. (next sensation did)
I don't know but I'd imagine they may be reluctant to lat another novice run in the race.Comment
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Well remembered he did and he was going great guns getting into contention not far out, they have had a 1/2 runners annually since so obvs don't have a problem with it mind. Yeah plenty seem to think going from the front isn't favourable, there doesn't appear to be any general run style that is preferred as a multitude of styles have won it of late. I will add it always seems harder going from the front with no cover but the flip to that is you have no potential traffic problems so swings and roundabouts. Anyway enough on this i can't see him in a GA either.Originally posted by QuevegaComment
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I was very against North Hill Harvey as he was rated 150, so exactly as you described, if he was gong to win that, then why not run ion the arkle ?Originally posted by Outlaw
But he was going well.
They've had runners in it since but not novices., They've been older horses like Marracudja & Two Taffs.
I did back Greaneteen last year in the race though, so that means I'm a hyprocrite and not totally against novices rated 150 - when it suits me.
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Great start for Allmankind on the chasing scene.
Skelton had another Juvenile Hurdle Festival third Nube Negra, who after a short second season in handicap hurdles went chasing last season, started with two excellent wins (beat Ballymoy on debut) and then 2nd in the Grade 1 2-Miler at Sandown to Esprit du Large, and then 2nd in the Grade 2 Kingmaker at Warwick to Rouge Vif.
He was another one that Skelton didn’t want to run at the Cheltenham Festival, and was planning to run at Aintree instead when racing stopped.
I am wondering if there is a similar plan going through his mind for Allmankind."Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".Comment
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Nothing backing that up. Not linked.Originally posted by Quevega
North Hill Harvey dying in the Grand Annual has no relevance to what they'll do with any novice they have they deem good enough.
If Skelton starts worrying about horses dying, he's stop training?
If they think novice hurdlers have an edge, novice chasers do too.
Just in case he has a fall...maybe they should retire Allmankind "he owes us nothing", "deserves his retirement"
Nonnnnnseeeeennnnseeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Originally posted by Kevloaf
Nothing backing that up. Not linked.
North Hill Harvey dying in the Grand Annual has no relevance to what they'll do with any novice they have they deem good enough.
If Skelton starts worrying about horses dying, he's stop training?
If they think novice hurdlers have an edge, novice chasers do too.
Just in case he has a fall...maybe they should retire Allmankind "he owes us nothing", "deserves his retirement"
Nonnnnnseeeeennnnseeeeeeeeeeeeeee
It's a renowned rough race,and was actually moved in the programme off the back of deaths in it.
It wouldn't surprise me if the trainer thinks twice about running a novice in the race in the future.
All's I'm saying, and not quite nonsense me thinks.
It's a lot closer to nonsense to suggest they maybe already thinking of the grand annual with a four year old who's just won his maiden that you haven't seen run
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Haha, true. I'll watch it shortly. I'll need to be blown away though to think he's going to be grade 1 class outside of juvenile company.Originally posted by Quevega
It's a renowned rough race,and was actually moved in the programme off the back of deaths in it.
It wouldn't surprise me if the trainer thinks twice about running a novice in the race in the future.
All's I'm saying, and not quite nonsense me thinks.
It's a lot closer to nonsense to suggest they maybe already thinking of the grand annual with a four year old who's just won his maiden that you haven't seen run
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Chosen Mate won as a Novice this year.Originally posted by QuevegaComment
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No Shit Sherlock.Originally posted by Lobos
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