Arkle/Marsh/RSA/NH Chase - Novice Chasers 2021 (new)

[Quevega]

The three left on my to do list are.
Pileon
Andy Dufresne
Phoenix Way

The ones I have written down anyway.

[The Beast]

On my list too. I get the impression they think he’ll be better over a fence than he was hurdles. I thought I read somewhere they would start off over 2m although I can’t remember where so don’t attach too much weight to that. It’s as much guessing how JP’s horses will be spread. Perhaps something like....

JP McManus
Supreme - Flinteur Sacre
Ballymore -
Albert -
Mares Novice - Gypsy Island, Fructine
Mares Chase: Dame de Compagnie
Churdle - Buveur D’Air, Epatante, Saint Roi
Stayers - Sire Du Berlais
Arkle - Elixir D’Ainay, Andy Dufresne, Unexcepted
Marsh - Chantry House, Sporting John
RSA - Dickie Diver
National Hunt - ???
Champion Chase - Le Richbourg, Defi Du Seuil
Ryanair - Fakir D’Oudairies
Gold Cup - Champ

Others - Dlauro, Blue Sari, Gentleman De Mee

Just wonder if Defi might be better over Ryanair trip , not totally convinced he a two miler.

[Lobos]

Andy Dufrence targeted at Handicaps maybe. Grand Annual?

[SharpHat]

Andy Dufrence targeted at Handicaps maybe. Grand Annual?

Backed him Twar right at the start, he's a horse i like alot

[ComplyOrDie]

Andy Dufrence targeted at Handicaps maybe. Grand Annual?

Yeah, I think so Lobos, as per my above post

[nortonscoin200]

On my list too. I get the impression they think he’ll be better over a fence than he was hurdles. I thought I read somewhere they would start off over 2m although I can’t remember where so don’t attach too much weight to that. It’s as much guessing how JP’s horses will be spread. Perhaps something like....

JP McManus
Supreme - Flinteur Sacre
Ballymore -
Albert -
Mares Novice - Gypsy Island, Fructine
Mares Chase: Dame de Compagnie
Churdle - Buveur D’Air, Epatante, Saint Roi
Stayers - Sire Du Berlais
Arkle - Elixir D’Ainay, Andy Dufresne, Unexcepted
Marsh - Chantry House, Sporting John
RSA - Dickie Diver
National Hunt - ???
Champion Chase - Le Richbourg, Defi Du Seuil
Ryanair - Fakir D’Oudairies
Gold Cup - Champ

Others - Dlauro, Blue Sari, Gentleman De Mee

National Hunt: Janidil

[Faugheen_Machine]

National Hunt: Janidil

For novice chasers I'd be thinking something like:

Arkle: Elixir D'ainy and Unexcepted
Marsh: Sporting John
RSA: Chantry House
NHC: Dickie Diver

Handicapper: Janidil

Not sure where Andy Dufresne would slot in.

[Dessie the great]

For novice chasers I'd be thinking something like:

Arkle: Elixir D'ainy and Unexcepted
Marsh: Sporting Life
RSA: Chantry House
NHC: Dickie Diver

Handicapper: Janidil

Not sure where Andy Dufresne would slot in.

You would have to be mightily impressed with unexcepteds jumping. I know the de bromhead horse pulled up with heart issues and he didnt beat much in the end but we know unexcepted has a engine from hurdles and if he continues jumoing like that there wont be many that will make ground on him over a fence.

[BigChaang]

I thought I'd backed Fusil Raffles and I haven't.

I think he looked decent enough, I'm not gonna back him at the current prices but he's alright isn't he.

That's Unlike you Kevloaf ,. I backed him before his last race ,.
and again yesterday ,. as he was still a nice price.
Ran a good race i thought , good bit of c & d practice.
Ball is in Shishkins court now, anyone got an idea where he'll run .??.

[Lobos]

You would have to be mightily impressed with unexcepteds jumping. I know the de bromhead horse pulled up with heart issues and he didnt beat much in the end but we know unexcepted has a engine from hurdles and if he continues jumoing like that there wont be many that will make ground on him over a fence.

Has that been confirmed re Captain Guinness...Heart issues??

[Middle_Of_March]

Do you not need to be a dour stayer to win the RSA too?

I think you need to have a good deal of class to win the RSA rather than just being a four stayer.

[Quevega]

I think you need to have a good deal of class to win the RSA rather than just being a four stayer.

There has been some dour winners though Mom.

2011 Bostons Angel 7 Robbie Power Jessica Harrington
2012 Bobs Worth 7 Barry Geraghty Nicky Henderson
2013 Lord Windermere 7 Davy Russell Jim Culloty
2014 O'Faolain's Boy 7 Barry Geraghty Rebecca Curtis
2015 Don Poli 6 Bryan Cooper Willie Mullins
2016 Blaklion 7 Ryan Hatch Nigel Twiston-Davies
2017 Might Bite 8 Nico de Boinville Nicky Henderson
2018 Presenting Percy 7 Davy Russell Patrick G Kelly
2019 Topofthegame 7 Harry Cobden Paul Nicholls
2020 Champ 8 Barry Geraghty Nicky Henderson

who's classy and who's dour in that lot ?
Suppose it depends on how you define class and dour though really ?

[Middle_Of_March]

What did everyone make of his jumping?

I thought he was safe enough but far from fluent. That was a slight negative for me, although I am nitpicking.

Roll on March.

Plenty of time to iron out a few flaws in his jumping but a good performance.

I’m very tempted to start getting properly involved in all three I like and if they all got beat, take the hit. Never want a race like the four miler to be a big race for my week but, unless The Big Getaway or something of that class was to turn up, I fail to see anything that will beat the trio of Dickie Diver, Galvin or Five O Clock. Those three against the field, all at big prices could be the way to go now and just keep hammering them until they’re all 6/1 co fans in February

[Middle_Of_March]

There has been some dour winners though Mom.

2011 Bostons Angel 7 Robbie Power Jessica Harrington
2012 Bobs Worth 7 Barry Geraghty Nicky Henderson
2013 Lord Windermere 7 Davy Russell Jim Culloty
2014 O'Faolain's Boy 7 Barry Geraghty Rebecca Curtis
2015 Don Poli 6 Bryan Cooper Willie Mullins
2016 Blaklion 7 Ryan Hatch Nigel Twiston-Davies
2017 Might Bite 8 Nico de Boinville Nicky Henderson
2018 Presenting Percy 7 Davy Russell Patrick G Kelly
2019 Topofthegame 7 Harry Cobden Paul Nicholls
2020 Champ 8 Barry Geraghty Nicky Henderson

who's classy and who's dour in that lot ?
Suppose it depends on how you define class and dour though really ?

But if Five O Clock is a dour stayer, like I suggest he is, the four miler is still the race for that.

Dour Stayers ALWAYS win the NH Chase. Always. Without fail. That’s the idea of a 3.6 mile race. The RSA often is won by a stayer with a touch of class. Like Might Bite and Champ for example. Both had class. Obviously there’s exceptions such as Don Poli who stays all day but in general, if you’ve got a horse who’s good but is a proper stayer, the four miler is the way to go in my opinion

[JackieMoon33]

But if Five O Clock is a dour stayer, like I suggest he is, the four miler is still the race for that.

Dour Stayers ALWAYS win the NH Chase. Always. Without fail. That’s the idea of a 3.6 mile race. The RSA often is won by a stayer with a touch of class. Like Might Bite and Champ for example. Both had class. Obviously there’s exceptions such as Don Poli who stays all day but in general, if you’ve got a horse who’s good but is a proper stayer, the four miler is the way to go in my opinion

There are more dour stayers in that list from Quevega than not.

Why is Five O’Clock such a dour stayer with no class? He managed to win over 2m last season.