Cheltenham Bumper 2019

[thistlecracker]

I don’t think 5/1 is value now with it being this far out but I was very impressed with the ease he moved away. Disappointed I let this slip through the net

[Kevloaf]

He's a beast. Be very hard to beat him let alone find one that can quicken up and go with him.

I did tell you at 28s lol.

Haha yes I know, I was travelling home from Bath though and wasn't sat at my computer (and I don't like backing things that don't go straight into my spreadsheets!)

Charlie - Envoi Allen might be better, but that isn't the problem, as he's 33/1 and already in my book

[charlie]

Haha yes I know, I was travelling home from Bath though and wasn't sat at my computer (and I don't like backing things that don't go straight into my spreadsheets!)

Charlie - Envoi Allen might be better, but that isn't the problem, as he's 33/1 and already in my book

Decent. Did you back just for Bumper or any race Kev? Only concern is CPS being hesitant running them against one another

[JackieMoon33]

Oooooh yes - it has all come flooding back! They bought Seeyouatmidnight last year or the year before didn't they.

You're absolutely right. I'd completely forgotten.

They bought two horses the year before too!

[thistlecracker]

They bought two horses the year before too!

I think they have said both will remain in bumpers this year although doesn’t confirm but will start at cheltenham

[Kevloaf]

Decent. Did you back just for Bumper or any race Kev? Only concern is CPS being hesitant running them against one another

Yeah, I mentioned that a few posts back - they do it on the flat often enough for me not to worry. You don't spend 400k to kjeep them in the box... minded for a hurdles campaign MAYBE but I think they'd both run if up to it.

Just for the bumper. Was happy to take my chance with that.

[charlie]

Yeah, I mentioned that a few posts back - they do it on the flat often enough for me not to worry. You don't spend 400k to kjeep them in the box... minded for a hurdles campaign MAYBE but I think they'd both run if up to it.

Just for the bumper. Was happy to take my chance with that.

Sounds good to me, thanks

[Outlaw]

For those late to the party and mulling about 11/2 being a price etc iv'e seen a firm called REDZONESPORTS offering him at 8/1 , can't say iv'e had dealings with them but David Jennings seems to be promoting them via a youtube channel he offers up called "Upping the Ante "

[ComplyOrDie]

A quick Twitter search for Envoi Allen led me to someone who had requested an 'any race' price from SkyBet & PP. SkyBet went 7/1 and PP went 25/1

I get the feeling he may well start in bumpers but will be held back for hurdles next season. I haven't seen him myself but some say he's a big, grand horse, so can potentially see him being a Ballymore type for next season, anyway that's way off, but for now I will be keeping my powder dry on him.

On another note and in relation to the above mentioned, I finally remembered to watch the replay of Malone Road destroying Mt. Leinster and I really am impressed with that performance I must say!!

[Scooby91]

A quick Twitter search for Envoi Allen led me to someone who had requested an 'any race' price from SkyBet & PP. SkyBet went 7/1 and PP went 25/1

I get the feeling he may well start in bumpers but will be held back for hurdles next season. I haven't seen him myself but some say he's a big, grand horse, so can potentially see him being a Ballymore type for next season, anyway that's way off, but for now I will be keeping my powder dry on him.

On another note and in relation to the above mentioned, I finally remembered to watch the replay of Malone Road destroying Mt. Leinster and I really am impressed with that performance I must say!!

No offence to the any race backers but makes no sense. Take the 33s champion bumper with 365. He either runs there or no where. And if it becomes aparrent he's not going you can cash it

[charlie]

A quick Twitter search for Envoi Allen led me to someone who had requested an 'any race' price from SkyBet & PP. SkyBet went 7/1 and PP went 25/1

I get the feeling he may well start in bumpers but will be held back for hurdles next season. I haven't seen him myself but some say he's a big, grand horse, so can potentially see him being a Ballymore type for next season, anyway that's way off, but for now I will be keeping my powder dry on him.

On another note and in relation to the above mentioned, I finally remembered to watch the replay of Malone Road destroying Mt. Leinster and I really am impressed with that performance I must say!!

Skybet are rubbish in the to win any race market. I go with Hills for most my any race bets.

Re Envoi Allen, obviously anything posted by unverified people on Twitter has to be treated with scepticism, but there was a post from a lad who went to Cheveley Park Stud last week and they specifically singled out Envoi Allen as their best. Make of that what you will. It is interesting that Envoi Allen was sold out of Colin Bowes Milestone stable for £400,000 the year after Samcro left for £335,000. Huge sums in NH. I was watching some of the clips on ATR and Gary O'Brien brought up Envoi Allen to which Gordon said 'saving for a good one at Navan. I like this one', with a beaming Cheshire Cat grin all over his face.

[ComplyOrDie]

Agree 100% with regards to the Twitter stance, don't take it that seriously myself but was more interested that pp offered such big odds for a horse that is supposedly a 'good thing' especially given the connections through Betfair they have with Elliott. Leads me to believe we won't see Envoi Allen at the festival but he will be next seasons Ballymore 'hype'.

[charlie]

Agree 100% with regards to the Twitter stance, don't take it that seriously myself but was more interested that pp offered such big odds for a horse that is supposedly a 'good thing' especially given the connections through Betfair they have with Elliott. Leads me to believe we won't see Envoi Allen at the festival but he will be next seasons Ballymore 'hype'.

Agree with Kev, won't spend 400k to keep him in a box

[ComplyOrDie]

Agree with Kev, won't spend 400k to keep him in a box

He won't be kept in a box, he'll be out, just like Samcro was, who was another expensive purchase under different ownership of course, but doesn't mean they won't avoid the festival, in favour of a real crack at a novice hurdle next season, especially as they seemingly already have a very good bumper horse in Malone Road to go to the festival with.

I'm not saying you shouldn't back him, at 33's he's worth chancing, but for me I will hold fire for now.

[Kevloaf]

He won't be kept in a box, he'll be out, just like Samcro was, who was another expensive purchase under different ownership of course, but doesn't mean they won't avoid the festival, in favour of a real crack at a novice hurdle next season, especially as they seemingly already have a very good bumper horse in Malone Road to go to the festival with.

I'm not saying you shouldn't back him, at 33's he's worth chancing, but for me I will hold fire for now.

Surely back him and consider it after he makes his debut if you think he won't go.... if they announce he won't go, they won't push his price out