Ballymore Novice Hurdle 2019

[boopa]

Hugh Taylor would disagree

Hugh should stick to class 4's at Wolverhampton.

In all seriousness he tipped him at 20/1 and what has he done since then? Won a slowly run race against handicappers. It all comes down to price. 5/1 is too short.

A few on here have said he travels so well. Pulling is not travelling well, it's wasted energy.

[ComplyOrDie]

Commander Of Fleet back in with PP / Betfair, 25's into 14's.

Could or even would Gigginstown go to this race with 2 decent chances, in order to retain what Samcro won for them last season?

[Quevega]

Hugh should stick to class 4's at Wolverhampton.

In all seriousness he tipped him at 20/1 and what has he done since then? Won a slowly run race against handicappers. It all comes down to price. 5/1 is too short.

A few on here have said he travels so well. Pulling is not travelling well, it's wasted energy.

Name me a novice hurdler in training that has achieved more than Champ.

Beaten a nck by an unbeaten horse on debut.
Won two novice hurdles on the bridle.
Won an all age handicap off mark of 139.
Now rated 150.
Won a grade one novice hurdle easily enough against other multiple novice winners rated on average around 141. In a race unlikely to have suited.
All whilst pulling and wasting energy.
What's he capable of if he settles ?

Name that horse in one Betty ?

[ComplyOrDie]

Name me a novice hurdler in training that has achieved more than Champ.

Beaten a nck by an unbeaten horse on debut.
Won two novice hurdles on the bridle.
Won an all age handicap off mark of 139.
Now rated 150.
Won a grade one novice hurdle easily enough against other multiple novice winners rated on average around 141. In a race unlikely to have suited.
All whilst pulling and wasting energy.
What's he capable of if he settles ?

Name that horse in one Betty ?

Quick Grabim.

[Folski]

Commander Of Fleet back in with PP / Betfair, 25's into 14's.

Could or even would Gigginstown go to this race with 2 decent chances, in order to retain what Samcro won for them last season?

Na BOD will go for the Bartlett

[Quevega]

Quick Grabim.

Close, but I'd say not quite.
And I've been on him since october, when one or two were writing him off as a summer/early season horse etc.

[boopa]

Name me a novice hurdler in training that has achieved more than Champ.

Beaten a nck by an unbeaten horse on debut.
Won two novice hurdles on the bridle.
Won an all age handicap off mark of 139.
Now rated 150.
Won a grade one novice hurdle easily enough against other multiple novice winners rated on average around 141. In a race unlikely to have suited.
All whilst pulling and wasting energy.
What's he capable of if he settles ?

Name that horse in one Betty ?

Please refrain from calling me 'Betty' that's the 2nd time you have done that.

He's beat handicappers and the last race was a farce. He's yet to show he can settle, maybe he will.

[ComplyOrDie]

Close, but I'd say not quite.
And I've been on him since october, when one or two were writing him off as a summer horse etc.

A Grade 3 & a Grade 1 trumps a Handicap & a Grade 1. The handicappers he beat were nothing special, surely you know that? You say 'open age' like it's going to be a hard race for him, but the 2nd was only 5 (at the time) and the 3rd only 4 (again, at the time), so they likely have improvement ahead of them and not at their peak, all the while, physically, Champ looked a right beast. The 3 horses rated higher than him that day have done absolutely bugger all for some time now, and are woefully out of form. Le Musee, who finished 2nd that day has since been stuffed.

On his last race, I think pretty much every horse was inconvenienced by the way that was run, not just him, but again, the field, for me, was not exactly one I'd go over the top for in beating.

Don't get me wrong, I like the horse, I think he can win at the festival, in the right race, I just don't think it is this one, as I have noted prior.

[Quevega]

Please refrain from calling me 'Betty' that's the 2nd time you have done that.

He's beat handicappers and the last race was a farce. He's yet to show he can settle, maybe he will.

Apologies boopa, meant only in an affectionate way as the context of the last time I used it shows. It's Boopa only from now on.

But you're Not offended by that surely ?
If so how much did it hurt ?
Get someone to rub it better.

better to win a farce though than use it as an excuse.

[boopa]

I prefer the Aramon and Quick Grabim form to Champ. Champ is older and I like his jumping. Couldn't have him at 5/1 though. Good luck if you have a bigger price.

[Quevega]

A Grade 3 & a Grade 1 trumps a Handicap & a Grade 1. The handicappers he beat were nothing special, surely you know that? You say 'open age' like it's going to be a hard race for him, but the 2nd was only 5 (at the time) and the 3rd only 4 (again, at the time), so they likely have improvement ahead of them and not at their peak, all the while, physically, Champ looked a right beast. The 3 horses rated higher than him that day have done absolutely bugger all for some time now, and are woefully out of form. Le Musee, who finished 2nd that day has since been stuffed.

On his last race, I think pretty much every horse was inconvenienced by the way that was run, not just him, but again, the field, for me, was not exactly one I'd go over the top for in beating.

Don't get me wrong, I like the horse, I think he can win at the festival, in the right race, I just don't think it is this one, as I have noted prior.

He's achieved slightly more I'd say, the ratings back that up, along with other factors.
I think the handicap win just provides a different context, rather than form with just other novices. Gives you al least another indication of level of ability (allbeit slight)

And it's poetic license to use le musee's next run and not the three others who won next time out.

I mentioned I hoped you weren't a teacher before, now I hope you're not a police officer

[ComplyOrDie]

He's achieved slightly more I'd say, the ratings back that up, along with other factors.
I think the handicap win just provides a different context, rather than form with just other novices. Gives you al least another indication of level of ability (allbeit slight)

And it's poetic license to use le musee's next run and not the three others who won next time out.

As I said, I don't dislike him, I just hope he ends up in the correct race myself. Glad, like others on here that he is making up the market, and wish you all the best with the bigger prices you may or may not have on him. I'll wait for the day, and decide then with him I think.

[Quevega]

As I said, I don't dislike him, I just hope he ends up in the correct race myself. Glad, like others on here that he is making up the market, and wish you all the best with the bigger prices you may or may not have on him. I'll wait for the day, and decide then with him I think.

It's only fair and objective to state that I only have Champ at 10-1 for 2 points (small bet) and in the mad doubles I got tempted into yesterday.
But I do like him and he does need to settle ideally, although he may just run ok like that anyway, some can.

[FaugheenTheMachine]

All those who don’t rate Champ (and Battleoverdoyen) must be licking their lips at the shape of this market. Some huge value for those who don’t rate either of those two

[ComplyOrDie]

Are we overlooking Jarvey's Plate because he's not from one of the 'sexy' yards?

Nothing would please me more than Fergal winning @ the festival, he's a cracking character and a really good trainer, who has come to prominence no end over the past 2 or 3 seasons.

I Can't Explain was fancied by quite a few on here, and had that been another Henderson horse that done that to him he'd easily be single figures. Having re-watched the races, he has fairly quickened up that hill and then quickened again after one hit from Paddy, most taking.