Albert Bartlett 2019

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Re = 335 cheltenham
That run from Percy Veer gives a nice look to Robin de Carlow;s form Archie.

If the ground doesn't go on us she'll go again in 3 weeks so we'll know better then but her form is starting to stack up nicely.

[Istabraq]

If the ground doesn't go on us she'll go again in 3 weeks so we'll know better then but her form is starting to stack up nicely.

Another one of yours archie ?
Is it worth sticking up a thread with all yours so we can track them, you can update as and when possible.
Would be very useful I think....

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May be worth starting a thread in the General Racing section along the lines of one in another place called 'Forum Horse Connections' so that all of us who have a toenail in something can pool our thoughts. I've said all along that I'm conscious of a responsibility to other Supreme owners about what should and should not be made public but, with that caveat, I'd be happy to be involved in something like that.

[Chris]

I just had a look at Percy Veer's form a little in and out, he has beaten a horse called Getareason by 12 lengths over 2m 5f and the next race over 3m Getareason bet Percy Veer by 3 lengths, this shows maybe he doesn't stay, so using him as a yard stick may not be such a good idea. Robin's clock for 3 miles was 12 seconds slower then normal.

[Quevega]

I just had a look at Percy Veer's form a little in and out, he has beaten a horse called Getareason by 12 lengths over 2m 5f and the next race over 3m Getareason bet Percy Veer by 3 lengths, this shows maybe he doesn't stay, so using him as a yard stick may not be such a good idea. Robin's clock for 3 miles was 12 seconds slower then normal.

Interesting how people judge form differently.
I would not conclude Percy Veer does not stay based on the evidence we've seen.
I wouldn't place much emphasis at all on times of races particularly over extreme trips. Although I'd be interested in sectional comparisons.
My observation was simply that Robin de Carlow sauntered away from Percy Veer and the rest, and was value for further.
And Percy Veer just ran a good (travelled really well and stayed on to third) race against UK novices from top stables in a race that is a reasonable yardstick for the longer festival novice races.

[Chris]

I can see you view point and I'm knocking it, can I ask, would you be concerned if come Cheltenham the going didn't have good in it considering she's only ran on good ground?.

[Quevega]

I can see you view point and I'm knocking it, can I ask, would you be concerned if come Cheltenham the going didn't have good in it considering she's only ran on good ground?.

I wouldn't, as I think Mullins isn't a trainer that's obsessed with ground. But I think Archie (supreme racing) thinks she's more likely to be ran on better ground at present.

[Quevega]

Emitom - won today at Ffos Las. Impressively.
Looks worth following how this form works out, to gauge how good he might be, might have been a reasonable race for staying novices.
Not priced up for this yet but is of interest.
The race won by some pretty good strong staying types in the past.
Greatrex said after race that he'll get plenty of practice before stepping up.

[doctorwu]

Emitom - won today at Ffos Las. Impressively.
Looks worth following how this form works out, to gauge how good he might be, might have been a reasonable race for staying novices.
Not priced up for this yet but is of interest.
The race won by some pretty good strong staying types in the past.
Greatrex said after race that he'll get plenty of practice before stepping up.

Q,
Very impressed with Emiton yesterday. Added to the notebook.
First Approach runs tomorrow in the Monksfield @ Navan. Really looking forward to watching him run again.
Brace Yourself goes for the Royal Bond instead. Ballymore??

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Well worth waiting for the Cheltenham race in December.
2017 Kilbricken Storm
2016 Wholestone
2015 Unowhatimeanharry
2014 Blaklion
2013 Kings Palace
2012 Coneygree

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[Hurricane fly]

KAteson out again tomorrow, second run over 2m3, and initially thought about posting this in the ballymore thread(40/1) but noticed he ran 5 times last year and this will be his second race.

Well on the way to hitting a trend/stat for Bartlett winners and everyone likes the Aintree bumper form

[ComplyOrDie]

Rockpoint runs for the same connections of Thistlecrack today at Newbury, trying 3m for the first time. Breeding suggests he'll relish the trip and has been backed accordingly for the race. Sire has the likes of Annie Power, Minella Rocco & Rock The Kasbah to his name, whilst the dam is new to the breeding game, but produced current RSA favourite, and Albert Bartlett 3rd last season, Santini.

'IF' things go to plan today then no reason why a crack at this race is not within the realms of possibility. I have had a couple of prices requested from a couple of bookmakers, so will see what they come back with.

Rockpoint is currently only rated 118, not that I am a huge fan of taking ratings at face value, but Kilbricken Storm won the Bartlett last season rated 143, Santini & Chef Des Obeaux were highest rated at 150, so you'd need a fair bit of improvement from Rockpoint to seemingly have any shout. The lowest rated winner in the past 8 runnings was Very Wood, rated just 137, so an improvement of at least 20lb's for the step up in trip looks a minimal requirement. Before we view that as a tough ask, remember the same trainer managed to get 39lb's improvement out of Thistlecrack for the step up to 3m. He was rated 135 before tackling 3m for the first time, and ended the season a 174 rated horse.

Have been quoted 66/1 with Bet365, I will be hovering over that during the race.

[ComplyOrDie]

Rockpoint runs for the same connections of Thistlecrack today at Newbury, trying 3m for the first time. Breeding suggests he'll relish the trip and has been backed accordingly for the race. Sire has the likes of Annie Power, Minella Rocco & Rock The Kasbah to his name, whilst the dam is new to the breeding game, but produced current RSA favourite, and Albert Bartlett 3rd last season, Santini.

'IF' things go to plan today then no reason why a crack at this race is not within the realms of possibility. I have had a couple of prices requested from a couple of bookmakers, so will see what they come back with.

Rockpoint is currently only rated 118, not that I am a huge fan of taking ratings at face value, but Kilbricken Storm won the Bartlett last season rated 143, Santini & Chef Des Obeaux were highest rated at 150, so you'd need a fair bit of improvement from Rockpoint to seemingly have any shout. The lowest rated winner in the past 8 runnings was Very Wood, rated just 137, so an improvement of at least 20lb's for the step up in trip looks a minimal requirement. Before we view that as a tough ask, remember the same trainer managed to get 39lb's improvement out of Thistlecrack for the step up to 3m. He was rated 135 before tackling 3m for the first time, and ended the season a 174 rated horse.

Have been quoted 66/1 with Bet365, I will be hovering over that during the race.

That was encouraging enough for me to take a small plunge on, can get 80/1 boosted with Ladbrokes which I felt was more than worthy of 1pt E/W.

Got beat today, no thanks to the jockey IMHO, though may be blinded by the fact I also backed him for the race today. They finished well clear of the rest and may just be 'well handicapped' horses, and a step up in class next time out will sure see what he is all about.

He had some classy horses in behind and was getting lumps of weight from most, but it was a starting point for him, and had he got up like he should have he would have been winning 'going away'.

[James Joseph]

I though Column of Fire was an eye catching runner yesterday. After being outpaced 2 out he ran on very well under a tender Davy ride. He looked like he would relish a step up in trip.