Arkle 2019

[Quevega]

I backed Defi after he won the Triumph for the Arkle, before he flopped that season.

I feel totally different now, I lean towards the point Ista brings up that pretty much all of the decent Triumph horses end up needing further...

That said, at 28/1 you can definitely take a chance... I am not on but can't knock it.

Yep. I did. and probably one reason why I've had another go.

Positives
He does seem to be written off/forgotten about after two runs in grade ones (aged 5) and badly placed IMO, but he obviously wasn't right. If you forget the last 12 months and imagine he'd just won the triumph and was going chasing then 28-1 looks good.
The trip thing will depend how quickly he jumps.
Hobbs can train arkle winners and even though they turn into stayers, he often goes here
can't think of another mcmanus owned horse going this way.
he'll be one of highest rated hurdlers going chasing
His cheltenham form is excellent 4/4
Price is ok for now

Negatives
His rating is wrong, like many 4yr olds (anyone know why this seems to happen, every season the triumph favourite seems to be higher rated than any of the other novice races)
The triumph he won doesn't look great form.
Barry might be riding him.
he might have just become a rubbish horse.

[Kevloaf]

Yep. I did. and probably one reason why I've had another go.

Positives
He does seem to be written off/forgotten about after two runs in grade ones (aged 5) and badly placed IMO, but he obviously wasn't right. If you forget the last 12 months and imagine he'd just won the triumph and was going chasing then 28-1 looks good.
The trip thing will depend how quickly he jumps.
Hobbs can train arkle winners and even though they turn into stayers, he often goes here
can't think of another mcmanus owned horse going this way.
he'll be one of highest rated hurdlers going chasing
His cheltenham form is excellent 4/4
Price is ok for now

Negatives
His rating is wrong, like many 4yr olds (anyone know why this seems to happen, every season the triumph favourite seems to be higher rated than any of the other novice races)
The triumph he won doesn't look great form.
Barry might be riding him.
he might have just become a rubbish horse.

I seem to remember he was rubbish at jumping hurdles? -I definitely remember him running through a couple in some of his races through the season -

(if I get chance) on his chase debut I'll hover over the Arkle market and see how he's getting on - I think he's a bit risky because he'll need to prove to me he's going to be a good jumper (I certainly wouldn't want to assume that with him specifically)...

Of the positives, CHeltenham form of 4/4 is impressive regardless of what he's been beating, and although the form of that crop doesn't look very good, the second best did pass away so really the top two have never had chance to show what thy can do yet.

[Quevega]

I seem to remember he was rubbish at jumping hurdles? -I definitely remember him running through a couple in some of his races through the season -

(if I get chance) on his chase debut I'll hover over the Arkle market and see how he's getting on - I think he's a bit risky because he'll need to prove to me he's going to be a good jumper (I certainly wouldn't want to assume that with him specifically)...

Of the positives, CHeltenham form of 4/4 is impressive regardless of what he's been beating, and although the form of that crop doesn't look very good, the second best did pass away so really the top two have never had chance to show what thy can do yet.

Barry can make the best horses look ropey jumping a fence or hurdle these days, pretty sure Hobbs is not a fan, so Johnson gets to ride him more often. Barry not positive enough, would never see geraghty give a ride like johnson gave Native river (just as an example)

[SeanRock]

I think it’s safe to say Vision Des Flos is a 2miler now, if he’s to go back over fences he has to come here

[Scooby91]

I think it’s safe to say Vision Des Flos is a 2miler now, if he’s to go back over fences he has to come here

Absolutely, but What's the chances tizzard sees it the same though ?

[mayo]

Barry can make the best horses look ropey jumping a fence or hurdle these days, pretty sure Hobbs is not a fan, so Johnson gets to ride him more often. Barry not positive enough, would never see geraghty give a ride like johnson gave Native river (just as an example)

Have you seen him ride Le Richebourgh or Ballyoisin this year ? Has won more champion chases and Arkles than anyone.

[Quevega]

Have you seen him ride Le Richebourgh or Ballyoisin this year ? Has won more champion chases and Arkles than anyone.

Those days are gone,
he's safety first these days,
have you seen him jump slowly on novices,
race wide of the field, or held up,
or stutter into last two fences or hurdles so he don't fall off, then run on after the last.
He's had too much pain and takes the easy route these days, but it's just my thoughts and a few others, so each to their own.
He was giving hells kitchen a nice ride today but it did look like a Range Rover v Mini Coopers.

[mayo]

Happy to agree to disagree he gave le prezien a peach in Grand annual too but got overshadowed by all the other crap in that race.

[Quevega]

Happy to agree to disagree he gave le prezien a peach in Grand annual too but got overshadowed by all the other crap in that race.

I'm probably too harsh with him to be fair, but it's the way I see it, so gotta take it into account

[Faugheen_Machine]

Happy to agree to disagree he gave le prezien a peach in Grand annual too but got overshadowed by all the other crap in that race.

He also gave Buveur D'air a superb ride in the champion hurdle to get him up on the line.

[Scooby91]

Anyone rhink this lad dolciano dici may have been showing something at home to entitle him to come here. And we're just completely overlooking him due to his colours and hurdles debut. He's entitled to be 100/1 for the arkle on the form book so I might try adding him before just incase he hoses up.


**** 33s what a joke. They really don't give a price anything mullins.

[Old Vic]

Some trial

Previous Years
2017 Footpad 5 11-12 D A Jacob 4/6Fav (W P Mullins)
2016 Min 5 11-12 R Walsh 1/3Fav (W P Mullins)
2015 Douvan 5 11-12 R Walsh 2/11Fav (W P Mullins)
2014 Vautour 5 11-12 R Walsh 2/11Fav (W P Mullins)
2013 Ballycasey 6 11-12 R Walsh 4/6Fav (W P Mullins)
2012 Sword Of Destiny 6 11-12 D N Russell 5/4Fav (Noel Meade)
2011 Flemenstar 6 11-12 A E Lynch 5/4Fav (Peter Casey)
2010 Lastoftheleaders 7 11-12 B J Geraghty 6/1 (A L T Moore)
2009 Sports Line 6 11-12 R Walsh 5/6Fav (W P Mullins)
2008 Top Of The Rock 5 11-7 M J Bolger 12/1 (Mrs John Harrington)
2007 Charlie Yardbird 6 11-12 P Carberry 9/4Fav (Noel Meade)
2006 Eurochancer 7 11-12 R P McNally 12/1 (Joseph Fox)
2005 Father Matt 7 11-9 M Darcy 7/1 (Noel Meade)
2004 Fota Island 8 11-12 C O'Dwyer 11/10Fav (M F Morris)
2003 Beausheram 9 11-12 D J Casey 9/2 (J M Kiernan)
2002 Dutsdale Dancer 8 11-12 D J Casey 6/1 (A J Whelan)
2001 Macs Gildoran 7 12-0 R Walsh 4/5Fav (W P Mullins)
2000 Shannon Gale 8 12-0 P Moloney 11/10Fav (C Roche)
1999 Native Upmanship 6 12-0 C O'Dwyer 4/7Fav (A L T Moore)

[Kevloaf]

Anyone rhink this lad dolciano dici may have been showing something at home to entitle him to come here. And we're just completely overlooking him due to his colours and hurdles debut. He's entitled to be 100/1 for the arkle on the form book so I might try adding him before just incase he hoses up.


**** 33s what a joke. They really don't give a price anything mullins.

Yep ... thought that but was waiting for a price.

This horse had a hugely different profile to any of the other runners he's had....

What if he's incredibly well supported today?

[Scooby91]

Yep ... thought that but was waiting for a price.

This horse had a hugely different profile to any of the other runners he's had....

What if he's incredibly well supported today?

He's already miles shorter than he's entitled to be. Plus pp went shortest at 5/2 and haven't budged.

33s though. I was expecting atleast 66s.

[Innoko]

He's already miles shorter than he's entitled to be. Plus pp went shortest at 5/2 and haven't budged.

33s though. I was expecting atleast 66s.

But what price if he wins today?