Arkle - 2021

[Lobos]

I'm with Charlie. I think the rest of you have been at the amyl nitrate.

To be clear, absolutely nothing wrong today but the price is just crazy. I'd rather back him in a double or treble at odds on (NRNB or on the day) than take less than 2/1 over 3 months out.

Each person is different. I would not touch anything at odds on during Fez week . That really is the way to the poor house imo.

[Kevloaf]

Exactly, we'll find out in March how good he really is, although in his defence he didn't enter deep water till March last year and did the business, arguably the hard way.

Yep, Elixir D'ainay going to travel all over him and power up the hill

[riccirich]

Pic d'orhy could give him some kind of test no?

[Quevega]

It was just a really good school round though wasn't it ?
The opposition are going to run scared. He's just going to have a procession every time he races.
He's beaten the square root of nothing in that race just then.
It remains to be seen what his jumping will be like when he's got someone upsides exerting pressure.
Not sure he'll be able to jump like that in softer ground, he might need it on the better side.
I'd want to see him against proper grade one animals before I think he's the next sprinter sacre.

I've just been possessed by the resident Grouch.
KB

Here I am thinking I'm representing old misery guts, and I've just read his diary and he's placed the Envoi Allen & Shishkin double at odds of 3.62-1.
Amazed is an understatement.
KB.

[Quevega]

On a serious note,
The price drop after today though is for Mugs alone.
It's about the easiest Novice chase I've seen on paper from both sides of the sea this season.

However, I suppose he's alive and well, can jump really well, and has got through a prep run unscathed.

But 7/4, when Willie (alone) has several candidates this year is a joke.
He's got that many, he could form a blockade if he wanted.

[charlie]

Yep, Elixir D'ainay going to travel all over him and power up the hill

Keep banging that drum Kev!

[Lobos]

Pic d'orhy could give him some kind of test no?

Where's that tumbleweed emoji.......

[charlie]

Where's that tumbleweed emoji.......

haha very good Lobos

[Kevloaf]

On a serious note,
The price drop after today though is for Mugs alone.
It's about the easiest Novice chase I've seen on paper from both sides of the sea this season.

However, I suppose he's alive and well, can jump really well, and has got through a prep run unscathed.

But 7/4, when Willie (alone) has several candidates this year is a joke.
He's got that many, he could form a blockade if he wanted.

Are you a mug, for not taking 5/2 BEFORE you see a novice chaser jump but then backed him at 7/4 AFTER a fantastic display?


I can't help feeling calling someone a mug based on that is unfair.




Obviously to answer, you have to ignore the prices he was before today..... but are you being slightly unfair?


Don't get me wrong, you know I wouldn't be waiting until after a display on such a high profile horse, but I'm more trigger happy than the average bear...

[doctorwu]

Lovely performance with some very slick jumping. Not likely to meet anything until the fez judging by the crap all English trainers have (Henderson apart). Something from the Emerald Isle will put it up to him come the day, then we'll see how good he is. That said, he could be very good.

[Quevega]

Are you a mug, for not taking 5/2 BEFORE you see a novice chaser jump but then backed him at 7/4 AFTER a fantastic display?


I can't help feeling calling someone a mug based on that is unfair.




Obviously to answer, you have to ignore the prices he was before today..... but are you being slightly unfair?


Don't get me wrong, you know I wouldn't be waiting until after a display on such a high profile horse, but I'm more trigger happy than the average bear...

The 7/4 is for Mugs alone.
Don't understand rest of what you're saying.
Although if it's why I've not backed him yet ?
He's been too short from when I started looking.
I think he's in a multiple somewhere at 7/2, but i'm not a fan of them either as they rarely come in.
Although the more of them you do, and cross breed I suppose you could get a good crop every now and then.

[Quevega]

The 5/2 before today's race was a much better bet than the 7/4 after the event IMO.
Even though I'd do neither.

[Kevloaf]

The 5/2 before today's race was a much better bet than the 7/4 after the event IMO.
Even though I'd do neither.

Haha, yeah that is what I'm asking.

I'm saying it's unfair though to say someone is a mug for taking 7/4 after seeing a brilliant performance, than educated guessing at 5/2?



The rest is me just saying I'd not do either anyway, but didn't need saying.




I think you're being a bit mean....

[Faugheen_Machine]

What impact will the scraping of the novice handicap chase have on field numbers? Will a few 140-145 rated horses now take a shot at the Grade 1s, or will we just get more novices contesting the handicaps?

I'd assumed the Arkle and Marsh would be small field events but they may be padded out a little with average horses.

[Eggs]

....Ladbrokes have a Shishkin Special;

Shishkin to win Arkle/2022 CC & Envoi to win 2022 GC @ 200-1 (250-1 with boost).