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National Hunt Chase (4 miler) 2019

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  • Originally posted by charlie View Post
    Loads ahead of BBB in the market won't even go - Delta Work, Santini, Mortal, Next Destination, probably more

    I have liked BBB for this all year and am slowly gaining more and more confidence.
    How do you know mortal won't go? He may.
    BBB could well go for the Irish national on all the runs we've seen. That would be a caution.

    Do you not think the likes of Mr whipped has a little more pace and class ?
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    • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
      How do you know mortal won't go? He may.
      BBB could well go for the Irish national on all the runs we've seen. That would be a caution.

      Do you not think the likes of Mr whipped has a little more pace and class ?
      I don't know. Of course he might, but I don't think he will
      He could go for the Irish National - plenty go to both Cheltenham and Fairyhouse
      In a word, no. I think 42's about Mr Whipped is decent though.

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      • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
        How do you know mortal won't go? He may.
        BBB could well go for the Irish national on all the runs we've seen. That would be a caution.

        Do you not think the likes of Mr whipped has a little more pace and class ?
        To be fair, you don’t need pace for this race. That speed will be blunted after 4m. True end to end gallopers who are one paced like Ms Parfois are made for this race. Not horses with a turn of foot like Mr Whipped imo.

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        • Originally posted by charlie View Post
          Loads ahead of BBB in the market won't even go - Delta Work, Santini, Mortal, Next Destination, probably more

          I have liked BBB for this all year and am slowly gaining more and more confidence.
          I agree about the first point. Could I borrow some of your confidence about him. I think he’s one of many with a chance but hard to be confident in that 25s from months ago.

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          • Originally posted by Middle_Of_March View Post
            To be fair, you don’t need pace for this race. That speed will be blunted after 4m. True end to end gallopers who are one paced like Ms Parfois are made for this race. Not horses with a turn of foot like Mr Whipped imo.
            I don't think Mr whipped has bags of pace per say. I just think he's a very sound jumper, who in context to this has enough tactical pace to be handy enough. He just keeps finding.

            I think mis parfois has tactical pace tbh.

            Does blow by blow have enough pace for a hypothetical jockey to have options . Or would he just be flat to the boards and keep finding?
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            • Ms Parfois doesn't have tactical pace she just jumps and gallops.

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              • Originally posted by boopa View Post
                Ms Parfois doesn't have tactical pace she just jumps and gallops.
                She was prominent, went with them all the way. Had form over shorter beforehand ridden handy.

                Not flat to the boards like blow by blow has been.
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                • Originally posted by boopa View Post
                  Ms Parfois doesn't have tactical pace she just jumps and gallops.
                  I agree with you. She’s a one-paced battler who stays all day.

                  I know she didn’t win last year but she’s exactly the type of horse I want for a race like this. No frills but is ideal for this scenario. Blow By Blow is also relatively paceless so would suit this test.

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                  • Yeah she's a prominent galloper that's not tactical pace.

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                    • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
                      She was prominent, went with them all the way. Had form over shorter beforehand ridden handy.

                      Not flat to the boards like blow by blow has been.
                      She was prominent because it’s a 4 mile race and they never go off quickly. The first 3m at that speed isn’t a massively hard ask. It’s the extra mile that gets them. A case of who can continue galloping the longest.

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                      • Physics dictates they can't go as fast in a 4 miler. BBB prefers soft ground. Form shows that.

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                        • Originally posted by Middle_Of_March View Post
                          She was prominent because it’s a 4 mile race and they never go off quickly. The first 3m at that speed isn’t a massively hard ask. It’s the extra mile that gets them. A case of who can continue galloping the longest.
                          I wouldn't agree personally. But I respect your opinion.
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                          • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
                            I wouldn't agree personally. But I respect your opinion.
                            Likewise yours Scooby.

                            It’s a game of opinions. That’s what makes it fun being on a forum dedicated to Cheltenham all year round. It’d be rubbish if we all agreed on every race and every horse.

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                            • Not sure where this mass confidence for BBB comes from for this one particular race myself. I mean it is Gigginstown, they could end up with Samcro here for all we know....OK maybe a step too far, but you know what I am getting at!

                              I'm on him 'any race' for now.

                              My main hopes are OK Corral (33's) & Kilbricken Storm (25's), both from a fair way out too, and I have no reason to change yet.

                              IF BBB did come here I'd be more than happy to include him, my problem is not with the horse, it's whether he turns up or not, going to wait for NRNB.

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                              • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                                Not sure where this mass confidence for BBB comes from for this one particular race myself. I mean it is Gigginstown, they could end up with Samcro here for all we know....OK maybe a step too far, but you know what I am getting at!

                                I'm on him 'any race' for now.

                                My main hopes are OK Corral (33's) & Kilbricken Storm (25's), both from a fair way out too, and I have no reason to change yet.

                                IF BBB did come here I'd be more than happy to include him, my problem is not with the horse, it's whether he turns up or not, going to wait for NRNB.
                                The latter is injured (KS). Not sure if you have cash out?
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