National Hunt Chase (4 miler) 2019

[Kevloaf]

He won the Martin Pipe over 2m4.5f and got thrashed by proper stayers at Punchestown. Clutching at straws to think that 4 miles is going to be the making of him. A slow horse is a slow horse.

I'll start backing him for the Gold Cup then

Boat By Boat

[archie]

I'll start backing him for the Gold Cup then

Boat By Boat

Actually, it's Presenting Percy who reminds me of Our Duke.

[archie]

In all seriousness, it wouldn't surprise me if there's an aim to get BBB a decent mark for the Irish National.

[JackieMoon33]

In all seriousness, it wouldn't surprise me if there's an aim to get BBB a decent mark for the Irish National.

That could be a possibility.

However, when you look at his form last season, he was a slow burner and then peaked at Cheltenham. As he’s such a huge horse it could be that they are building him up throughout the season again.

[Quevega]

That could be a possibility.

However, when you look at his form last season, he was a slow burner and then peaked at Cheltenham. As he’s such a huge horse it could be that they are building him up throughout the season again.

I'd say that's what's happening and it works both ways, as he could end up on an attractive mark or end up in this race, having not shown his true ability. I'd say he's a cert to run in this or the Kim Muir. depending on what rating he ends up on. Gordon will do similarly with several horses over hurdles and fences and it is easy to spot with how he places them throughout the season, injuries permitting.

[charlie]

I am quite surprised at the reaction to BBB – ‘clutching at straws’ to think he’s a 4-miler and being described as ‘piss poor’ so far this season. That is what I like about the forum though. Sometimes you convince yourself a horse will go a certain route or is of a certain ability and you need an opposing view to make you question the position you hold and how right you think you are.

Perhaps I am looking at BBB through rose tinted specs having backed him for the NHC, but I am fairly sure I am not clutching at straws to think this big Robin Des Champs gelding that Gordon has said would make a 4-miler, will go the 4-miler. Nor do I think he has been piss poor. He won on debut, in an albeit easy race. Careful at a few but by and large jumped well. Second in the Florida Pearl showing all the characteristics of a horse that wants further by staying on after having been headed. Again, jumped pretty well. 7th in a Drinmore wasn’t disappointing for a horse that wants a lot further. He jumped well enough and got done for speed. Cause Of Causes finished 7th in a Drinmore before winning the 4-miler. Jury Duty won the Florida Pearl (BBB lost a neck) before going 4-miler. All going to plan as far as I am concerned.

Fortunately, I took an any race price as well as the NHC, so if he does end up in the Kim Muir then I’l have a decent price at least.

[taylorch1990]

BBB is a strange one to decide on value wise. His form this year is bang average imo. However I can't see anything shorter than him in the market going for this race and he has Cheltenham form. I haven't backed him but on the balance of things 25s is still value.

[Scooby91]

I am quite surprised at the reaction to BBB – ‘clutching at straws’ to think he’s a 4-miler and being described as ‘piss poor’ so far this season. That is what I like about the forum though. Sometimes you convince yourself a horse will go a certain route or is of a certain ability and you need an opposing view to make you question the position you hold and how right you think you are.

Perhaps I am looking at BBB through rose tinted specs having backed him for the NHC, but I am fairly sure I am not clutching at straws to think this big Robin Des Champs gelding that Gordon has said would make a 4-miler, will go the 4-miler. Nor do I think he has been piss poor. He won on debut, in an albeit easy race. Careful at a few but by and large jumped well. Second in the Florida Pearl showing all the characteristics of a horse that wants further by staying on after having been headed. Again, jumped pretty well. 7th in a Drinmore wasn’t disappointing for a horse that wants a lot further. He jumped well enough and got done for speed. Cause Of Causes finished 7th in a Drinmore before winning the 4-miler. Jury Duty won the Florida Pearl (BBB lost a neck) before going 4-miler. All going to plan as far as I am concerned.

Fortunately, I took an any race price as well as the NHC, so if he does end up in the Kim Muir then I’l have a decent price at least.

He's been running to a mark of around 140 so far this year. Hes had is 2 runs , Be interesting to see his irish mark when it comes out. Kim Muir with codd on board would do me.

However it looks to me like they may be trying to get a mark for the thyestes.

[Folski]

BBB is a strange one to decide on value wise. His form this year is bang average imo. However I can't see anything shorter than him in the market going for this race and he has Cheltenham form. I haven't backed him but on the balance of things 25s is still value.

Echo this.

(All B365)
14/1 - Santini - RSA bound surely
14/1 - Next Destination - RSA bound if he can jump and stayers if he can't.
16/1 - Kilbricken Storm - The whole Native River incident means he's unlikely to come here.
16/1 - Delta Work - RSA surely.
20/1 - Cracking Smart - stays hurdling.
20/1 - Robin Des Foret - not sure if he's good enough myself.
20/1 - The Worlds End - Wins the Ultima.
20/1 - Lil Rockerfeller - You'd imagine connections would have their eyes on bigger pots.
20/1 - Carter McKay - 2 runs at Cheltenham have been poor.
20/1 - Blow By Blow - G1 winning bumper horse, CF winner, Elliott says this is the target.

[boopa]

Mr Whipped 40/1 is interesting.

[JackieMoon33]

He's been running to a mark of around 140 so far this year. Hes had is 2 runs , Be interesting to see his irish mark when it comes out. Kim Muir with codd on board would do me.

However it looks to me like they may be trying to get a mark for the thyestes.

Do Gigginstown have a history of running novice chasers in handicaps at the festival as, from memory, they tend to stick mainly to the novice events. To win the Kim Muir off a mark of 140+ means that he’ll need to be a 150 horse anyway. So why not take on other novices at level weights than try and beat seasoned chasers who could be plotted up. I’d say the NH Chase is the easier option surely.

[Scooby91]

Do Gigginstown have a history of running novice chasers in handicaps at the festival as, from memory, they tend to stick mainly to the novice events. To win the Kim Muir off a mark of 140+ means that he’ll need to be a 150 horse anyway. So why not take on other novices at level weights than try and beat seasoned chasers who could be plotted up. I’d say the NH Chase is the easier option surely.

He could go nh chase but I think he'd go in a valuable handicap like the thyestes beforehand. Imo there's a reason he went over 21/2 last time to get his 3rd run.
Ie Monbeg notorious

From a betting perspective the Kim Muir is my thyestes. That's where his best chance would be for me of the mark hell get now and that's where I want him.

[Folski]

Do Gigginstown have a history of running novice chasers in handicaps at the festival as, from memory, they tend to stick mainly to the novice events. To win the Kim Muir off a mark of 140+ means that he’ll need to be a 150 horse anyway. So why not take on other novices at level weights than try and beat seasoned chasers who could be plotted up. I’d say the NH Chase is the easier option surely.

Off the top of my head Road To Respect ran in the Plate as a novice and Tycoon Prince in the novice handicap.

[JackieMoon33]

Off the top of my head Road To Respect ran in the Plate as a novice and Tycoon Prince in the novice handicap.

I’ll give you Road To Respect running as a novice in an open handicap but Tycoon Prince running in the novice handicap is fairly standard as it’s for novices.

[JackieMoon33]

I actually think BBB will run at least another two times before the festival so who knows what the plan could be then. Gigginstown call the shots so even if Gordon wants the 4 miler, they may think otherwise.

The any race is the best angle as with so many other bets.