Cheltenham 2019 Ante-Post bets

[JackieMoon33]

I'll be honest though, without being able to see the French races it's very difficult to form a proper opinion. The races are quite often small fields and not always a great deal of pace on. The other issue I have is how much a horses form can change from France to UK - is this because of massive improvement or were the horses being 'looked after' in France - how do you know? We Have A Dream had form of 5-4-4 in France but then went unbeaten in 5 races after switching to Nicky Henderson.

[Scooby91]

I was diving into the form of Adjali a few weeks back but I was less impressed with the form other than Beaumec De Houelle - did I miss something?

I totally agree he'll be cut significantly once he dots up on debut with those connections in this race.

Beaumec de houlle
Pic d'orhy

Those 2 are rock solid.
Both followed up again 10 days ago at auteuil
There's also a line through doctor squeeze/ porto pollo, that ties it in. who are good graded horses in there own right, it's a strong 3yo crop imo.

Plus you've got Nichols horse quel destin who's been comfortably behind him twice.

[Scooby91]

I'll be honest though, without being able to see the French races it's very difficult to form a proper opinion. The races are quite often small fields and not always a great deal of pace on. The other issue I have is how much a horses form can change from France to UK - is this because of massive improvement or were the horses being 'looked after' in France - how do you know? We Have A Dream had form of 5-4-4 in France but then went unbeaten in 5 races after switching to Nicky Henderson.

Nichols is getting the short straw imo and buying the ones that have been primed to win and be sold. Where as the likes of munir and suede who have alot of horses with maccaire are getting the ones that are looked after

[JackieMoon33]

Nichols is getting the short straw imo and buying the ones that have been primed to win and be sold. Where as the likes of munir and suede who have alot of horses with maccaire are getting the ones that are looked after

It certainly looks that way. Nicholls will have a bunch win early in the season who then fail to progress into contenders for the spring festivals. Admittedly most of the juveniles he gets are chasers for the future but he's not exactly mopping up the big novice chase races these days either.

[Scooby91]

It certainly looks that way. Nicholls will have a bunch win early in the season who then fail to progress into contenders for the spring festivals. Admittedly most of the juveniles he gets are chasers for the future but he's not exactly mopping up the big novice chase races these days either.

Same with the novices the ammount of times Nichols buys a limited horse that in france finished infront of one that mullins has bought and turns out to be a top notcher for Willie is scary too. Of the top of my head

Black river - vautour
Mr mix - min ......

[JackieMoon33]

Same with the novices the ammount of times Nichols buys a limited horse that finished infront of one that mullins has bought and turns out to be a top notcher is scary too. Of the top of my head

Black river - vautour
Mr mix - min ......

Indeed and his Cheltenham record is starting to reflect that in recent years where he now is lucky to pick up a handicap each year!

[Scooby91]

Indeed and his Cheltenham record is starting to reflect that in recent years where he now is lucky to pick up a handicap each year!

Will be interesting to see how he gets on with MY WAY the form is there, and there's alot of it. the McNeil family have paid €475, 000 after purchasing DJINGLE last year. Hopefully they'll get there money's worth.

[JackieMoon33]

Will be interesting to see how he gets on with MY WAY the form is there, and there's alot of it. the McNeil family have paid €475, 000 after purchasing DJINGLE last year. Hopefully they'll get there money's worth.

I would put my neck on the line and say My Way will have more of an impact than Danny Kirwan over hurdles this season. My Way has a nice piece of form behind Whetstone and he’ll be very experienced for a novice.

[Scooby91]

I would put my neck on the line and say My Way will have more of an impact than Danny Kirwan over hurdles this season. My Way has a nice piece of form behind Whetstone and he’ll be very experienced for a novice.

I wouldn't disagree with that. I'd love to know what mark he would get. Hurdes/ fences over here.

[thistlecracker]

No triumph thread but the form of ADJALI is red hot. Add to that the connections of hendo munir and suede he's going to be short when he wins on debut over here.

Who’s your preference with scoob ADJALI or NEVER ADAPT or can you see them going different races ? I thought I saw them both mentioned in the triumph section

[ComplyOrDie]

Added Elwood 'any race' today boosted to 27.54 with WH.

A half brother to Delta Work, Gigginstown brought the horse this month from the same connections (Emmanuel Clayeux) as Delta Work came from.

Has had 2 NH Flat races both over 1m 4f, but pedigree (by Martaline) suggests these were going to be too short and of course they were, as he was never nearer both times. He then had his first start over hurdles, which was a complete schooling session in public, the horse looked as though he'd never seen a hurdle before and was held way back in the small field. He got off the mark in his final start in France, winning impressively, from start to finish, staying on really strongly at the end, clearly something that Gigginstown/Elliott liked the look of.

Now, it would be foolish to think he will be as successful for them as Delta Work has worked out, and as with a lot of the French imports that come over, we don't know their full abilities until we see them on a course over here, but he is one I am happy to take a stab at in the hope they go down the handicap route at the festival with him, and lightning strikes twice!

A friend got this one priced up by WH for me, also got him to ask Betfair as well, given their links with the Elliott yard and they told him it was not one they were adding at this moment

[Scooby91]

Who’s your preference with scoob ADJALI or NEVER ADAPT or can you see them going different races ? I thought I saw them both mentioned in the triumph section

Both same race would be the plan. In light of the form keep being franked with the French season in full swing now , I'd be strong in the adjali camp. But id be wanting to be on never adapt too. And I'd be keeping a close eye on FARID. FENTA DES OBEAUX. And LAMARCKISE. For entries later in the season. anything else can likey win and pass me by. My personal preferance is, i'd always be on what I believe to be the best French hurdlers/ aqps rather than the horses that come of the flat

[mayo]

Looking to get a couple of horses added to markets I cant see quoted anywhere ?

Ballyoisin - Ryanair
Oscar Rose - Mares Novice Hurdle
Le Richebourg - RSA/NH Chase

How do you do this ?

[Scooby91]

Looking to get a couple of horses added to markets I cant see quoted anywhere ?

Ballyoisin - Ryanair
Oscar Rose - Mares Novice Hurdle
Le Richebourg - RSA/NH Chase

How do you do this ?

Open a Twitter account and add to the exchange market. (I have an account just for this purpose) Give it a few weeks and you'll be looking at 3 figures for all 3 there. Id have thought.

[Scooby91]

Updated*

Gold cup
Al boum photo 36.0
Monalee 50.0
Shattered love 65.0
Top notch 240.0

Supreme*
Annamix 20/1 ew 20/1

Ballymore
Blackbow 25/1
Carefully selected 25/1
Tornado flyer 25/1
Arkle*
Getabird 20/1
Mengli khan 20/1

RSA*
Santini 21/1 ( due to a double)
Next destination 10/1 (free bet)
Kilbricken storm 33/1

JLT
claimantakinforgan 33/1

Stayers
Penhill 15/2

Triumph*
Adjali 33/1 EW

Mares novice*
Chante neige 12/1 13/1
Colreevy 25/1



ANY RACE

fenta des obeaux 33/1*

farid 33/1*

Allaho 20/1*

never adapt 33/1*

adjali 20/1*

Rhinestone 25/1*

Dento des obeaux 25/1*

On the blind side 16/1*

Delta Work 16/1*

Blackbow 13/1

Cilaos emery 28/1

Cracking smart 16/1

Blow by blow 18/1

Champagne classic 16/1


Tornado flyer got a mention this morning. Happy to take the 25s with 365 with cash out available.