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  • I've had so many thoughts regarding bets for the festival already, which is ridiculous, as I haven't seen one horse take to the track that is in my current portfolio yet.

    I'm just going to leave a few thoughts, based mostly on market activity but also gut instinct at this present time, here. I have not backed a load yet, however I am ahead of where I was last year in terms of stakes.

    My main focus has been the recent market move on Samcro for the Champion Hurdle, how could it not be, but the stuff that interests me more is the knock on effect this has on other horses, do targets change based on one horse? Personally I don't think so, but surely it must cross some trainers minds?

    So, Melon, a horse we probably still haven't seen the best of yet, surely goes chasing this season? Couldn't beat Buveur D'air, and now potentially has Samcro to take on as well, not forgetting Summerville Boy of course, who should not be discounted. IF he goes chasing, surely it is then the Arkle. A horse not too dissimilar to Footpad really, and bar the Triumph/Supreme difference, have taken the same 2 years hurdling, that now could be the time to switch discipline?

    Laurina, my star, I think she is a future Champion Hurdle winner (assuming she does not go chasing), there, I said it! IF Melon goes for the Arkle then Laurina takes the Mares' as she likes. Benie Des Dieux has already been touted as going chasing again, and Apple's Jade, well she has it all to prove again after a somewhat low key 2018 (there were excuses, mind). Limini has the potential to return, but has been running on the flat in recent weeks/months and unsure a long season is what she wants.

    I don't have too many thoughts regarding any novice hurdles just yet, though excited to see Commander Of Fleet, Danny Kirwan, Brewin'upastorm, Annamix and Breaken to name but a few.

    I think Colin Tizzard has the potential horses to have a very solid Cheltenham Festival. His Novice Chase team looks strong. A favoured one of mine being Vision Des Flos, he also has Slate House (I think a few have brought him up in the Arkle thread), Lostintranslation & Kilbricken Storm (hope he goes down the NH Chase route), I'd be very surprised should he not at least find himself a couple of solid placed efforts and possibly a winner or 2 amongst them. Of course, aside from the novices he also has last seasons Gold Cup winner, Native River to complete what could potentially be successful team for the festival.

    The Novice Chase division itself is very exciting, even if Samcro does stick to hurdles. My only concern with it is the Arkle already looks quite an underwhelming bunch, in a race that will only likely field 5 or 6 runners as seems to be the case in recent times. My case for Melon above is also based on lack of runners, with bookmakers paying 3 places until the day, when, like season we end up with just the 2 places being paid. I actually think the race I am currently looking forward to the most in the Novice Chase division is the RSA. I think it looks a solid bunch already and usually does not disappoint. Gigginstown have a whole host they could chuck at it, Cracking Smart, Champagne Classic, Blow By Blow & Delta Work are 4 of the more likely runners. Santini for Nicky Henderson is obviously really well thought of and the betting suggests that too. Topofthegame for Paul Nicholls could also come into his own now going chasing, not to mention numerous other horses that could potentially take to this race. One thing I am not convinced of is Next Destination heading here, even though he looked as though he needed 3 miles at Cheltenham.

    The JLT will be wide open should Samcro not turn up, I don't have a strong opinion on this one yet though as mentioned previously, potentially one of the Tizzard horses could spring up here, as to which one is anyone's guess.

    I could ramble on all day, but should probably get on with some work, so will leave it there for now, please find holes in any of what I have wrote, it's all about opinions and discussion, so I am certainly open for that.

    Oh, and I wasn't sure where to post this so please move to the correct thread if a problem being in this one
    Last edited by ComplyOrDie; 14 September 2018, 12:59 PM.

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    • "One thing I am not convinced of is Next Destination heading here, even though he looked as though he needed 3 miles at Cheltenham".

      Nice post CoD, but can I ask what makes you think the above statement? Do you think he may stay hurdling and be aimed at the Stayers, in the same way Bacardys was after he didn't take to fences?

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      • Originally posted by Innoko View Post
        "One thing I am not convinced of is Next Destination heading here, even though he looked as though he needed 3 miles at Cheltenham".

        Nice post CoD, but can I ask what makes you think the above statement? Do you think he may stay hurdling and be aimed at the Stayers, in the same way Bacardys was after he didn't take to fences?
        I'll be honest, I struggle to nail Next Destination to any one particular race, but unless we see otherwise on the track I really don't see him going for the RSA, I can't be more concrete on why, my instinct tells me to leave him alone for now, there are more solid bets at the head of the market, or were, before Santini had been cut today. I think Next Destination is in for 4 or 5 different markets currently, and sits prominently in at least 3 of them, he'll be a bookies horse until nearer the time.

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        • “He could easily go chasing next season but I’ll have to discuss that with Mr Denmark. He’ll probably start off chasing and if it doesn’t work out he can go back hurdling. He could be a top class hurdler in the staying division.”

          Just found this after his race at Punchestown. So yes, could end up anywhere!

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          • I agree with a lot of that CoD.

            I'd perhaps be less inclined to think Melon will go chasing based on Samcro entering the division though...

            Ruby/Mullins don't own/ride BVD or Samcro, so taking "their best" horse out of the running doesn't make their chance of winning it any easier (obviously) .... I think Willie's yard considers how to split their own pack first... for example, if they knew they wanted to have a tilt at the CH with Laurina, it could 'free up' Melon to go chasing. Even that isn't how it works though (I'd imagine), as you need more than one dart at each race! I imagine they aim Melon at the CH again as well as Laurina and split the deck accordingly when we get much much closer and key trials have been won/lost!

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            • An angle I’m intrigued with is the NH bloodline of Sandmason (sire of Summerville Boy & Black Op). He only really came to light with Tom George’s success with the pair last season. Surely other yards will have taken note and any of his offspring will have been popular in the sales this summer. If anyone could point me in the direction of any further info on this it would be greatly appreciated. I’m as far from a breeding expert as you can be!

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              • Good spot/angle that Sean, Noted !

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                • Speaking of breeding I saw VISION D’HONNEUR mentioned as one to keep an eye on

                  A 4yr old Closely related to De Bon Cour at Gordon Elliot’s

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                  • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                    I agree with a lot of that CoD.

                    I'd perhaps be less inclined to think Melon will go chasing based on Samcro entering the division though...

                    Ruby/Mullins don't own/ride BVD or Samcro, so taking "their best" horse out of the running doesn't make their chance of winning it any easier (obviously) .... I think Willie's yard considers how to split their own pack first... for example, if they knew they wanted to have a tilt at the CH with Laurina, it could 'free up' Melon to go chasing. Even that isn't how it works though (I'd imagine), as you need more than one dart at each race! I imagine they aim Melon at the CH again as well as Laurina and split the deck accordingly when we get much much closer and key trials have been won/lost!
                    I do feel they would also want to give him the best chance of winning at the festival for connections too, so IF he takes to schooling over fences well I think the prospect of taking on Kalashnikov/Mengli Khan over Buveur D'air/Samcro is a no brainer, especially as Laurina could walk the Mares' too, that's potentially a better chance of 2 wins than if he went down the Champion Hurdle route IMO.

                    I must admit, I had thought who else does Mullins have for the Champion Hurdle if Melon does go over fences, but currently have no answers that would give him a chance, bar the him and Laurina tbh.

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                    • EW Canadian (x52)
                      1 . Topofthegame (RSA Chase Cheltenham)
                      2 . If The Cap Fits (Champion Hurdle Cheltenham)
                      3 . Willoughby Court (Ryanair Chase Cheltenham)
                      4 . Penhill (Stayers Hurdle Cheltenham)
                      5 . Presenting Percy (Magners Cheltenham Gold Cup Cheltenham)
                      52 lines at Ł0.50 per line
                      Total stake for this bet: Ł26.00
                      Potential return: Ł920768.82

                      What could go wrong

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                      • Originally posted by Hurricane fly View Post
                        Speaking of breeding I saw VISION D’HONNEUR mentioned as one to keep an eye on

                        A 4yr old Closely related to De Bon Cour at Gordon Elliot’s

                        Paid a hell of a lot for him, for winning a race of that nature in a bumper With no substance

                        VISION D'HONNEUR



                        HONGRE (04/10/2016)*PS*BAI

                        Born on*29/03/2014*

                        By*VISION D'ETAT*out of*HEMBRA*(CROCO ROUGE)

                        Trainer*EXPORTATION DEFINITIVE -IRL (24/05/2018)

                        Owners*PROPRIETE NON DECLAREE

                        Breeders*G. GILLES

                        Premiums eligible*Oui

                        EBF Eligible*Oui

                        Horse Form :*1p

                        Certificat d'exportation non déposé

                        * * ** ** ** ** ** ** *Race record** ** ** ** *Performances** ** ** ** *Entries** ** ** ** *Pedigree** ** ** ** ** ** *

                        1

                        24/04/2018

                        FONTAINEBLEAU ( )

                        Flat - 3.000 m



                        Trade was topped by an imposing son of the recently deceased Vision d’Etat, VISION D’HONNEUR (lot 5), who walked into the ring as the winner of his only start in a bumper at Fontainebleau. The charge of Robert Collet attracted bids from all around the Auteuil winner circle and Margaret O’Toole had to fork out €350,000 to sceal the deal on behalf of Gordon Eliott.

                        The trainer was on attendance alongside Nicky Bertrand de Balanda, who commented: “He is a gorgeous stamp of a horse who won very well on his sole start. I came to see him three weeks ago and was very impressed by him, then Gordon and Eddie saw him this morning and instantly fell in love with him. We think he can develop into a very good horse.”
                        Last edited by Scooby91; 15 September 2018, 07:56 AM.
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                        • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
                          Paid a hell of a lot for him, for winning a race of that nature in a bumper With no substance

                          VISION D'HONNEUR



                          HONGRE (04/10/2016)*PS*BAI

                          Born on*29/03/2014*

                          By*VISION D'ETAT*out of*HEMBRA*(CROCO ROUGE)

                          Trainer*EXPORTATION DEFINITIVE -IRL (24/05/2018)

                          Owners*PROPRIETE NON DECLAREE

                          Breeders*G. GILLES

                          Premiums eligible*Oui

                          EBF Eligible*Oui

                          Horse Form :*1p

                          Certificat d'exportation non déposé

                          * * ** ** ** ** ** ** *Race record** ** ** ** *Performances** ** ** ** *Entries** ** ** ** *Pedigree** ** ** ** ** ** *

                          1

                          24/04/2018

                          FONTAINEBLEAU ( )

                          Flat - 3.000 m



                          Trade was topped by an imposing son of the recently deceased Vision d’Etat, VISION D’HONNEUR (lot 5), who walked into the ring as the winner of his only start in a bumper at Fontainebleau. The charge of Robert Collet attracted bids from all around the Auteuil winner circle and Margaret O’Toole had to fork out €350,000 to sceal the deal on behalf of Gordon Eliott.

                          The trainer was on attendance alongside Nicky Bertrand de Balanda, who commented: “He is a gorgeous stamp of a horse who won very well on his sole start. I came to see him three weeks ago and was very impressed by him, then Gordon and Eddie saw him this morning and instantly fell in love with him. We think he can develop into a very good horse.”
                          Some good info here Scooby - cheers.

                          He sounds a promising type for sure

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                          • Antepost so far

                            Dento des obeaux any race 25/1 .

                            Gold cup
                            Al boum photo 36.0
                            Monalee 50.0
                            Shattered love 65.0
                            Top notch 240.0
                            Last edited by Scooby91; 16 September 2018, 09:45 AM.
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                            • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
                              Antepost so far

                              Dento des obeaux any race 25/1 .

                              Gold cup
                              Al boum photo 36.0
                              Monalee 50.0
                              Top notch 240.0
                              Any particular Race you think Dento des obeaux will go for Scooby ?.

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                              • Originally posted by BigChaang View Post
                                Any particular Race you think Dento des obeaux will go for Scooby ?.
                                Not a clue, on breeding further than 2. However (ie roaring lion on then the flat) that's only a guide. And doesn't mean much to me personally,
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