Ultima Business Solutions Handicap Chase 2018

[Istabraq]

No Snow Falcon so a good thing in the Plate

Have a pound saver on Kings Socks...

[Sirbetalot]

I am going to have an e/w bet on Shantou Flyer, goes in heavy and run at cheltenham a number of times, has a pull in the weights with the fav Coo Star Sivola, I know that was over 2.4miles but SF was staying on and James Bowen will be taking 3lbs off (can he claim in this?)

20/1 seems a fair price & he is by far not the worse horse in the race.

[Folski]

I am going to have an e/w bet on Shantou Flyer, goes in heavy and run at cheltenham a number of times, has a pull in the weights with the fav Coo Star Sivola, I know that was over 2.4miles but SF was staying on and James Bowen will be taking 3lbs off (can he claim in this?)

20/1 seems a fair price & he is by far not the worse horse in the race.

Does he really want 3m? Best RPR at 3m 144 on good ground seems to me he wants 2m5f.

[kinloch brae]

This race doesn't look that strong. I was very much against both Snow Falcon and Dingo Dollar even before they were withdrawn. The top three all have question marks. I have backed Gold Present but I think this trip on better ground might just about be his limit. They will also be nursing him with regards to the National. I have already said there wasn't much substance in Coo Star Sivola's last run and does anyone really know what you are going to get from Singlefarmpayment these days?

I had backed Vintage Clouds for the Kim Muir and have added him here as well. Cook got involved in a ridiculous pace battle last time and consequently he ran much better than the placing suggests. The ground should suit.

[Kevloaf]

Meade was interviewed by Luck on RUK earlier this morning and he said Snow Falcon to JLT.

Can let him slide in that as well.

[Folski]

For those interested differential between highest previous mark.

-7 - Wakanda
-6 - Minella Daddy
-6 - Sizing Codelco
-5 - Knight Of Noir
-4 - Shantou Flyer
-3 - Casse Tete
-3 - Ramses De Teillee
-2 - Single Farm Payment
-2 - Vicente
-1 - Cogry
-1 - O O Seven
-1 - Vintage Clouds
0 - Vic De Touzaine
+1 - Beware The Bear
+1 - Yala Enki
+2 - Coo Star Sivola
+2 - Eamon An Cnoic
+8 - Gold Present

[Kevloaf]

For those interested differential between highest previous mark.

-7 - Wakanda
-6 - Minella Daddy
-6 - Sizing Codelco
-5 - Knight Of Noir
-4 - Shantou Flyer
-3 - Casse Tete
-3 - Ramses De Teillee
-2 - Single Farm Payment
-2 - Vicente
-1 - Cogry
-1 - O O Seven
-1 - Vintage Clouds
0 - Vic De Touzaine
+1 - Beware The Bear
+1 - Yala Enki
+2 - Coo Star Sivola
+2 - Eamon An Cnoic
+8 - Gold Present

Thanks Folski. Without me checking, are they highest mark hurdles or chases or just chase marks?

[luisgarciaisgod]

Surely YakaEnki is massively overpriced for this. All wins on Soft/Heavy and he absolutely demolished Blacklion last time out. I know he finished behind Gold present at Ascot in December but that was on GS and YK will rellish this if it's a bog

[Kevloaf]

Surely YakaEnki is massively overpriced for this. All wins on Soft/Heavy and he absolutely demolished Blacklion last time out. I know he finished behind Gold present at Ascot in December but that was on GS and YK will rellish this if it's a bog

I looked at Yala Enki for that exact reason... but then just decided he isn't good enough regardless

[Folski]

Thanks Folski. Without me checking, are they highest mark hurdles or chases or just chase marks?

Highest mark awarded hurdles or chases

[luisgarciaisgod]

I looked at Yala Enki for that exact reason... but then just decided he isn't good enough regardless

Don't think it's a really strong field that a horse beats a Grade 1 winner LTO by 54l is 16/1

[Kevloaf]

Don't think it's a really strong field that a horse beats a Grade 1 winner LTO by 54l is 16/1

Yep, both true comments.

[Westo97]

No Snow Falcon so a good thing in the Plate

Hope you are right with this. Looks almost a carbon copy of their coup with Road to Respect last season

[Bayoffreedom]

I love the Cheltenham handicaps but this is a totally uninspiring race. Going to re-route some of my betting money to Footpad

[Kevloaf]

Hope you are right with this. Looks almost a carbon copy of their coup with Road to Respect last season

I think he's going to go JLT because it looks quite weak now