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Ultima Business Solutions Handicap Chase 2018

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  • #61
    Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
    Not sure you can attach any blame on Heskin for those rides. He has been a bit of a cliff horse for me too. I was considering backing him again for this but much prefer Gold Present, whose form took a boost with Frodon winning on Saturday.
    No, that was more a specific comment about the tactics on that horse and a general comment about Heskin. I find him very one dimensional.

    She isn't quoted but would Mia's Storm be a good fit for this? That is assuming she came out of Kempton unscathed? Perhaps someone can update?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
      Not sure you can attach any blame on Heskin for those rides. He has been a bit of a cliff horse for me too. I was considering backing him again for this but much prefer Gold Present, whose form took a boost with Frodon winning on Saturday.
      Will they bump Gold Present up again in light of Frodon?

      My issue with GPO still is that, his win is CLEARLY the best handicap rform of the season, so I think the price will have already gone... (I think we've had this conversation already though!)

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
        Will they bump Gold Present up again in light of Frodon?

        My issue with GPO still is that, his win is CLEARLY the best handicap rform of the season, so I think the price will have already gone... (I think we've had this conversation already though!)
        They didn't bump him up this week Kev, still rated 155.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
          They didn't bump him up this week Kev, still rated 155.
          What price are you on at?

          14s normal
          12s WH NR insurance
          10s NRNB

          My arguement that he is well found in the market isn't going to go away, but that does mean he'll be a single figure price...ergo argueably value still....

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          • #65
            I got 16/1 and 12/1 NR insurance, added more today at 14/1.

            He'll be a short price on the day if Bowen is riding imo

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
              I got 16/1 and 12/1 NR insurance, added more today at 14/1.

              He'll be a short price on the day if Bowen is riding imo
              Yes I think you're right.

              Very tempted to back now... hadn't thought about Frodon.

              Infact I have, 1.5 pts e/w 13.08/1 NR ins* WH boost
              Last edited by Kevloaf; 31 January 2018, 08:56 PM.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
                I got 16/1 and 12/1 NR insurance, added more today at 14/1.

                He'll be a short price on the day if Bowen is riding imo
                Surely De Boinville will be on board? Assuming he goes there I would be much happier if they didn't change jockeys.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by kinloch brae View Post
                  Surely De Boinville will be on board? Assuming he goes there I would be much happier if they didn't change jockeys.
                  WIll Henderson want to give up that 5lb claim in any handicap race?

                  Suppose it depends what else he has, but people will be queuing up for Bowen, and NdB probably isn't a 5lb better jockey?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
                    Amiable fly / frodon the only horses id thought of for this race. Both could do with going down a little in the handicap.
                    Don't think they'll be going here now.. If only they read page 1 and went straight there.
                    https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/
                    Use code "FJ" in your sign up name for bonus content!

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
                      Don't think they'll be going here now.. If only they read page 1 and went straight there.
                      At least you can take a slice of comfort in knowing you "spotted a good'un"

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                        WIll Henderson want to give up that 5lb claim in any handicap race?

                        Suppose it depends what else he has, but people will be queuing up for Bowen, and NdB probably isn't a 5lb better jockey?
                        I am afraid I not on the Bowen bandwagon, just yet. Let's see where he is in a couple of years. They put him on Thomas Campbell at the weekend and he didn't make a scrap of difference, at least in a positive sense. It might have been the ground but the horse didn't seem to travel a yard. I don't think it is so much about whether De Boinville is 5lbs better, it is more about the fact that he has struck up a good relationship with the horse. At this stage I don't think there is any need to tinker with that.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by kinloch brae View Post
                          I am afraid I not on the Bowen bandwagon, just yet. Let's see where he is in a couple of years. They put him on Thomas Campbell at the weekend and he didn't make a scrap of difference, at least in a positive sense. It might have been the ground but the horse didn't seem to travel a yard. I don't think it is so much about whether De Boinville is 5lbs better, it is more about the fact that he has struck up a good relationship with the horse. At this stage I don't think there is any need to tinker with that.
                          Bowen can only claim 3lbs now

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                          • #73
                            Personally think there is enough evidence to say that claiming jockeys are worth their claim. I like NDB but in a handicap I'd have Bowen as I don't think NdB and his relationship with that particular horse is particularly special

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by kinloch brae View Post
                              No, that was more a specific comment about the tactics on that horse and a general comment about Heskin. I find him very one dimensional.

                              She isn't quoted but would Mia's Storm be a good fit for this? That is assuming she came out of Kempton unscathed? Perhaps someone can update?
                              Tipped by Pricewise so presumably there is some indication from King that she isn't going down the more realistic handicap route.

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                              • #75
                                @5simdog

                                Is GOLD PRESENT being aimed at the Grand National? Do you think he’ll stay that sort of trip?

                                He was given an entry, as you know, but as we have learnt from Whisper and Vyta Du Roc this week, it is not set in stone that he’ll run in it. He worked this morning and I’m looking at a 3m race at Ascot on 17th February as his next outing. As for the Grand National trip, we won’t know until we try.




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                                No mention of the Ultima at all?

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