Mares Hurdle 2018

[Kevloaf]

Similar to the CH market, there is a "without" AJ market with 365 NRNB

LEt's Dance 5/2
VVM 5/2
BEnie Des Dieux 3/1
Colin's Sister 9/2
Kayf Grace 6/1
Augusta KAte 8/1
LA Bague Au Roi 10/1
Jer's Girl 10/1

ANyone fancy any of those?

I quite like the look of Jer's Girl at 10/1. Was only 2L behind Apple's Jade earlier this season on 12/11/17 at Navan over 2m4f and Apple's JAde was ridden out to win.

JG got beaten over 3m by the likeable La Basgue Au Roi, but I can see some juice in Jer's Girl at 10/1 w/o the fav....

Couldn't find my bet but knew I'd mentioned her back in Jan!

Still 10/1 now is a really good bet

[doctorwu]

Kev,
Jers Girl is of interest for me in this market.

[Scooby91]

Couldn't find my bet but knew I'd mentioned her back in Jan!

Still 10/1 now is a really good bet

I don't fancy her myself but benie des dieux 7/4 From 7/2 without AJ with pp. And let's dance doubled in price antepost with bf.

[Kevloaf]

David Mullins who just won on Benie Des Dieux has just sadi without prompting that "you can do anything with her" "she jumpos her fences like hurdles" and "you could easily go back over hurdles with her"....
I'd say this is the target 100%.....

I'd definitely fancy her over Let's Dance.... the 9/2 NRNB without AJ looking more appealing than it was (and I'd already backed it)

**its now 4/1 NRNB BOG w/o Apple's Jade

Very pleased to read that then....

I don't fancy her myself but benie des dieux 7/4 From 7/2 without AJ with pp. And let's dance doubled in price antepost with bf.

Strictly between Let's Dance and Benie Des Dieux I think they were the wrong price.

I'd still have Jers Girl a better bet than either though in the without...

[Scooby91]

Very pleased to read that then....



Strictly between Let's Dance and Benie Des Dieux I think they were the wrong price.

I'd still have Jers Girl a better bet than either though in the without...

I don't be touching it but BDD is 7/2 with 355 in the without for anyone that way inclined.


Does let's dance run at all?? Even thoigh its the price she should be, it's a bold call doubling the price

[Kevloaf]

I don't be touching it but BDD is 7/2 with 355 in the without for anyone that way inclined.


Does let's dance run at all??

It is likely to be one people could cash out if PP are right, and that is the target.... as 365 will have to flip-flop

[Viking Flagship]

Meri Devie goes here apparently so if anyone (like me) had an eye on her for one of the handicaps then you can cross her off your lists.

[ComplyOrDie]

Meri Devie goes here apparently so if anyone (like me) had an eye on her for one of the handicaps then you can cross her off your lists.

I was keen on her for the handicap route, all NRNB mind, so no drama there. Strange decision for me though, she's not got much chance against Apple's Jade, and if they think she has then Laurina has her well and truly covered already, on a line through Alletrix.

[Viking Flagship]

I was keen on her for the handicap route, all NRNB mind, so no drama there. Strange decision for me though, she's not got much chance against Apple's Jade, and if they think she has then Laurina has her well and truly covered already, on a line through Alletrix.

Yes I thought it was an odd one too as I feel there's some decent mileage in her mark.

[jono]

Ruby was On Racing UK Facebook Live today. VVM came up a couple of times and it appeared no doubt she runs here. Ruby admitted that Apple's Jade looks incredibly hard to beat though

Video here:

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[ComplyOrDie]

Ruby was On Racing UK Facebook Live today. VVM came up a couple of times and it appeared no doubt she runs here. Ruby admitted that Apple's Jade looks incredibly hard to beat though

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Kept bringing up my girl, Laurina

[Kevloaf]

Benie des dieux unlikely runner your also talking chase form. Very likely to follow the mares chase program
Asthuria is not a natural chaser with the technique of what she's shown. Shes a slick hurdler stays well.

Iv watched benie des dieux many times in French hurdle races . Her forms good but nothing special. It's her chasing technique is far better than asthurias. Shes a ridiculous price nrnb for this.

I don't believe benie des dieux goes here I think your taking the comments far too literal. The French fixed brush hurdles are like fences. My interpretation is that she wastes no time in the air over her fences which is to her advantage. And thats also what they meant by the comments.

Her price for this race is completely ridiculous imo. Her advantage is over fences. And her engine is over rated.

I think at 7 mins in to that video, when Ruby says he isn't sure who he'll be riding out of Benie Des Dieux and Vroum Vroum Mag in this race it backs up my thoughts that I was on the right lines about her

Not a mention for Let's Dance.... clearly not up to their level.

Asthuria no mention either

[Scooby91]

I think at 7 mins in to that video, when Ruby says he isn't sure who he'll be riding out of Benie Des Dieux and Vroum Vroum Mag in this race it backs up my thoughts that I was on the right lines about her

Not a mention for Let's Dance.... clearly not up to their level.

Asthuria no mention either

Asthurias staying over fences.

Benie des dieux is well exposed over hurdles. Shes not de ben coeur , Literally no chance she'd win this. She's not come over lightly raced like a vroum vroum mag / douvan/ vautour. She fell short over hurdles in france, Shes won a couple of well placed mares chases with a nice chasing technique. As she's had plenty of runs over the French fixed brush hurdles.

You'd be looking at a mark of around 135 -139 over hurdles if they entered her for a handicap.
Shes Honestly massively over hyped.

[Kevloaf]

Benie des dieux unlikely runner your also talking chase form. Very likely to follow the mares chase program
Asthuria is not a natural chaser with the technique of what she's shown. Shes a slick hurdler stays well.

Iv watched benie des dieux many times in French hurdle races . Her forms good but nothing special. It's her chasing technique is far better than asthurias. Shes a ridiculous price nrnb for this.

Asthurias staying over fences.

Benie des dieux is well exposed over hurdles. Shes not de ben coeur , Literally no chance she'd win this. She's not come over lightly raced like a vroum vroum mag / douvan/ vautour. She fell short over hurdles in france, Shes won a couple of well placed mares chases with a nice chasing technique. As she's had plenty of runs over the French fixed brush hurdles.

Shes Honestly massively over hyped.

Nothing in this would win it.... without Apple's Jade though ... she may well be over hyped but so are some of the opponents. I don't think she's a great bet, but by the same token I think kicking her out of the 4 would be har.d.. even if ALL these turned up...

Every horse listed with 365 in the without market below (9 Mullins Mares!)

Let's Dance 2/1 - A bit over-rated, the fact she is shorter than VVM NRNB is pretty staggering and the edge she had as being a second season novice is now all gone. I think she was flattered last year a bit and unimpressive last time out to overcome (which you'd anticipate she will) I think BDD definitely has more potential than her, any code. Also see it as a negative that Ruby didn't mentiomn her, and even the fact VVM has been mentioned is a negative for LD, nevermind BDD being drafted in!
Vroum Vroum Mag 11/4 - Yea, fair enough, better horse over any trip or code. Just got to prove she retains the ability but wouldn't be running if there was any doubt whatsoever about her being able to perform
La Bague Au Roi 6/1 - Haven't seen any update on where she'll go. She is better over 3m though so despite a gallant front running effort, she'll ultimately just set the race up and probably get swallowed by anything with more ability. If she turns up at all...I'd go 3m with her.
Augusta Kate 7/1 - Needs further, not good enough to win this race and clearly not held in the same regard as other mares in the stable.
Kayf Grace 9/1 - I do give her a chance, likable but slightly disappointing in the Betfair. Not ideal, might go for a handicap?
Jer's Girl 10/1 - Good bet. No arguement
Verdana Blue 10/1 - Likely to be going for a handicap, beaten by Brillare Momento, and Let's Dance last year... no reason to turn that around?
Brillare Momento 12/1 Not good enough, a mid 130's horse...
Cap Soleil 12/1 - GOing for the mares race. Not good enough
Meri Devie 14/1 - Clearly not the stable pick
Asthuria 20/1 - Beaten by BDD over fences, staying over fences. No chance of reversing even if she did.
Lagotovegas 20/1 - Decent handicapper at best
The Organist 20/1 - Not coming here
Barra - 1 win in 12, not good enough to challenge
Dusky Legend - not good enough
Karalee - not good enough
Midnight Tour - not good enough
Lady Buttons - not good enough
Angels Antics - not good enough
Graceful Legend - not good enough
Indian Stream - Place claims
Midnight Jazz - not good enough
Pravalaguna - not good enough

The one's I'd think would finish ahead are VVM, Jer's Girl, MAYBE Kayf Grace.

The rest I can't see beating her.

On the 3 Ricci mares LD 2/1, VVM 11/4 BDD 7/2 I'd much prefer to be on VVM at 11/4. I wasn't expecting her to run though... and if she doesn't LD and BDD I expect Ruby to pick BDD and finish ahead of LD.




I've spent so much time on this thread talking about who will be finishing second

[Scooby91]

Nothing in this would win it.... without Apple's Jade though ... she may well be over hyped but so are some of the opponents. I don't think she's a great bet, but by the same token I think kicking her out of the 4 would be har.d.. even if ALL these turned up...

Every horse listed with 365 in the without market below (9 Mullins Mares!)

Let's Dance 2/1 - A bit over-rated, the fact she is shorter than VVM NRNB is pretty staggering and the edge she had as being a second season novice is now all gone. I think she was flattered last year a bit and unimpressive last time out to overcome (which you'd anticipate she will) I think BDD definitely has more potential than her, any code. Also see it as a negative that Ruby didn't mentiomn her, and even the fact VVM has been mentioned is a negative for LD, nevermind BDD being drafted in!
Vroum Vroum Mag 11/4 - Yea, fair enough, better horse over any trip or code. Just got to prove she retains the ability but wouldn't be running if there was any doubt whatsoever about her being able to perform
La Bague Au Roi 6/1 - Haven't seen any update on where she'll go. She is better over 3m though so despite a gallant front running effort, she'll ultimately just set the race up and probably get swallowed by anything with more ability. If she turns up at all...I'd go 3m with her.
Augusta Kate 7/1 - Needs further, not good enough to win this race and clearly not held in the same regard as other mares in the stable.
Kayf Grace 9/1 - I do give her a chance, likable but slightly disappointing in the Betfair. Not ideal, might go for a handicap?
Jer's Girl 10/1 - Good bet. No arguement
Verdana Blue 10/1 - Likely to be going for a handicap, beaten by Brillare Momento, and Let's Dance last year... no reason to turn that around?
Brillare Momento 12/1 Not good enough, a mid 130's horse...
Cap Soleil 12/1 - GOing for the mares race. Not good enough
Meri Devie 14/1 - Clearly not the stable pick
Asthuria 20/1 - Beaten by BDD over fences, staying over fences. No chance of reversing even if she did.
Lagotovegas 20/1 - Decent handicapper at best
The Organist 20/1 - Not coming here
Barra - 1 win in 12, not good enough to challenge
Dusky Legend - not good enough
Karalee - not good enough
Midnight Tour - not good enough
Lady Buttons - not good enough
Angels Antics - not good enough
Graceful Legend - not good enough
Indian Stream - Place claims
Midnight Jazz - not good enough
Pravalaguna - not good enough

The one's I'd think would finish ahead are VVM, Jer's Girl, MAYBE Kayf Grace.

The rest I can't see beating her.

On the 3 Ricci mares LD 2/1, VVM 11/4 BDD 7/2 I'd much prefer to be on VVM at 11/4. I wasn't expecting her to run though... and if she doesn't LD and BDD I expect Ruby to pick BDD and finish ahead of LD.




I've spent so much time on this thread talking about who will be finishing second

Let's dance may well be out of form so could be the case. Or may not even run.

Jers girl may not even run.
Colins sister deffinately dosent
La bague au roi probably dosent.
Augusta Kate dosent run
Verdant blue dosent
Let's dance may not run
Agreed it cuts up to a poor field.

If jers girl runs and runs to her mark id be certain shed finish infront of benie des dieux.

Vroum vroum probably the one But there's risks involved there also. SJ price is tempting ew. However id be dissapointed in myself for backing an antepost nr at this stage if she diddnt spark at home. And her bare form away from last years mares hurdle really isn't that special. All be it she ran a very good race on the day.

Powers for a little while have insinuated both vroum vroum and benie des dieux run.

Pointless point but de Ben coeur would win this easily. I hope some of the horses over here have the stones to take her on at auteuil there's far superior prize money up for grabs. Or may be some sort of bonus could tempt her over here. As were genuinely missing out on some brilliant match ups.