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County Hurdle 2018

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  • Originally posted by Robbante View Post
    Flying Tiger is a real bet in this for me, think there’s still some 33s about. His season has all been about this one race, a tactic that worked perfectly for nick williams last year with this horse when he won the Fred Winter. Somehow he got left on 140 after the kingwell, he was only beaten 5 lengths and the winner has gone up 11lbs! Well handicapped, course form, been prepped with this one race in mind, hard to see him out of the frame
    Yeah one I like for this race too. Form ties in nicely with Mohaayed who I also like. He will definitely run provided no issues, as the ground won't be a problem unless it comes up heavy, 33/1 is a nice price too.

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    • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
      Got beat in the 2016 Greatwood off 8lbs lower with possible excuses for the ground - has he improved since then?
      It appears that Ben Pauling is going to win all the handicaps this year


      Might check him out for top trainer at this rate.

      Not actually on A Hare Breath. Not sure what price he'd be on the day with better place terms.

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      • Probably best to wait for the weights to assess the Irish challenge.

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        • Originally posted by Robbante View Post
          Flying Tiger is a real bet in this for me, think there’s still some 33s about. His season has all been about this one race, a tactic that worked perfectly for nick williams last year with this horse when he won the Fred Winter. Somehow he got left on 140 after the kingwell, he was only beaten 5 lengths and the winner has gone up 11lbs! Well handicapped, course form, been prepped with this one race in mind, hard to see him out of the frame
          That does seem generous handicapping for Flying Tiger.

          ANy negative that there doesn't seem to be a jockey that has struck up a partnership with him?

          I really like him too, have backed him... just my only concern is the different jockies...
          Last edited by Kevloaf; 21 February 2018, 07:01 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
            That does seem generous handicapping for Flying Tiger.

            ANy negative that there doesn't seem to be a jockey that has struck up a partnership with him?
            Wouldn’t take it as a negative personally, not sure the reason behind it. I think he was better than bare form of his win in the Fred winter last year as well, he was pretty keen and didn’t have the best passage. Just love the way he’s been campaigned for this race and that Williams has previous laying him out like this. The handicapper has given him a real boost imo

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            • Seems that it's now policy to not penalise lower grade horses who finish close up in races like the Kingwell.

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              • Originally posted by Robbante View Post
                Flying Tiger is a real bet in this for me, think there’s still some 33s about. His season has all been about this one race, a tactic that worked perfectly for nick williams last year with this horse when he won the Fred Winter. Somehow he got left on 140 after the kingwell, he was only beaten 5 lengths and the winner has gone up 11lbs! Well handicapped, course form, been prepped with this one race in mind, hard to see him out of the frame
                I haven't really wanted to be on any of the juveniles from last year but having looked at Flying Tiger tonight, the more I agree 33/1 is too big. Watching back on his races this season - he's travelled through his races as good as any really on every run. I'd be slightly worried about how much he finds at the end of his races but hopefully a return to better ground can help.

                33/1 taken

                I hadn't read Johnson's blog until mentioned here. For anyone who hasn't here it is:

                I was encouraged by Flying Tiger’s performance in the Betway Kingwell Hurdle.

                The plan is now to go the County Hurdle at Cheltenham which I think he can be competitive in.

                He’s shown he loves the track having won last year’s Fred Winter which is always a big positive.

                I’d like to think some better ground will bring out the best in him and he’s one at a decent price to keep an eye on.

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                • Originally posted by jono View Post
                  I haven't really wanted to be on any of the juveniles from last year but having looked at Flying Tiger tonight, the more I agree 33/1 is too big. Watching back on his races this season - he's travelled through his races as good as any really on every run. I'd be slightly worried about how much he finds at the end of his races but hopefully a return to better ground can help.

                  33/1 taken

                  I hadn't read Johnson's blog until mentioned here. For anyone who hasn't here it is:
                  He was strong enough in the finish in the Fred winter last year, am assuming he hasn’t been asked for everything at any point this year with this race firmly in mind. I think there’s every chance he’s improved this year, a couple of lengths behind ch’tibello on unfavoured ground is decent form in the context of this race

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                  • Originally posted by Robbante View Post
                    He was strong enough in the finish in the Fred winter last year, am assuming he hasn’t been asked for everything at any point this year with this race firmly in mind. I think there’s every chance he’s improved this year, a couple of lengths behind ch’tibello on unfavoured ground is decent form in the context of this race
                    The fact he is a Cheltenham winner, based on the thread we highlighted last month... and is 33/1 makes him an almost automatic bet.

                    I think the case you've made is excellent and completely agree, he'll have a big chance on the day.

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                    • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                      The fact he is a Cheltenham winner, based on the thread we highlighted last month... and is 33/1 makes him an almost automatic bet.

                      I think the case you've made is excellent and completely agree, he'll have a big chance on the day.
                      Arctic Fire winning last year was the first time in ages a near top weight has gone close, and don’t see that Mullins has one of that quality to throw in this year (bleu et rouge I think wants further). Jezki is the one who might go in off top weight and have a chance, but Max Dynamite’s price is laughable. I’d be really surprised if Flying Angel doesn’t run his best race of the season, and when you factor in his nice mark and the fact he’ll improve if likely better ground I really can’t see him out of the frame

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                      • Originally posted by archie View Post
                        Seems that it's now policy to not penalise lower grade horses who finish close up in races like the Kingwell.
                        Tell that to Speredek

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                        • If you like Flying Tiger, surely you need to check the weights swing of the other placed horses in last years Fred Winter....

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                          • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
                            If you like Flying Tiger, surely you need to check the weights swing of the other placed horses in last years Fred Winter....
                            I don’t follow? The only horse carrying more weight than him was Divin Bere in second? His mark is now 141 but regardless of the fact that he just looks shot rather than plotted, Flying Angel for me was far more value for that win than a neck anyway

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                            • had a couple of quid on him yesterday after watching the Kingwell again, might stick him in a few doubles and trebles after reading this

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                              • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
                                If you like Flying Tiger, surely you need to check the weights swing of the other placed horses in last years Fred Winter....
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