Stayers Hurdle 2018

[Can't Catch Me]

What a bizarre decision! Really making themselves look like they haven't a clue what they are doing.

[Scooby91]

Couldn’t agree more. I think his performance last time out was decent, I rate Benatar who won’t be far off in the JLT. The JLT was the race for Finians this year and he should have been campaigned accordingly. Even now I think he’d have a top chance if going there

I like tizzard as a person and a character but I dont understand his decision making. I did admire his bold campaigning but hes gone too far doing it with the young crop. Hes far from "looking after them"

[Robbante]

I like tizzard as a person and a character but I dont understand his decision making. I did admire his bold campaigning but hes gone too far doing it with the young crop. Hes far from "looking after them"

If I was JP then Empreinte Reconce would be the first and last horse I’d send Tizzard. She should have hosed up on debut as well and was well beaten

[jono]

I rated tizzard last year but I think his campaigning of horses has been awful this year. He has some really strange ways of looking at things.

Finians dosent even want 3 miles over hurdles for a start we have seen against bacardys what will happen . Hes gone from 2m chasing to now thinking hes a 3 mile hurdler. You either run him in the jlt / rsa and you could come back for the aintree hurdle if there was an issue. How dumb is he going to look if benatar goes close in the jlt

Completely agree. Huge question marks over Tizzard after the season so far. I like the man and really liked his boldness in some of his decisions last year but he has so far had a shocker this year and you have to raise the question how he has handled the increase in top class horses in the yard - the first time he's had this many top class horses all at once. Questionable calls:

- The handling of Finians Oscar
- The handling of Vison des Flos (beat Hollowgraphic, Rapid Escape and Early Doors at Punchestown but was then thrown in the deep end in two grade 2 races rather than ease him in)
- Fox Norton - again another horse who has been chopping and changing between 2m-3m
- Public knocking of Bryan Cooper
- Thistlecrack - should never have rushed him back so soon after a tendon injury (many decent judges were pretty amazed when they thought he could be back for it, albeit he did and ran ok in 4th) - a softer recovery may have helped his longevity?

Willie Mullins is known for switching horses targets around and making some odd decisions, and Yorkhill still raises question marks how he could be considered a Champion Hurdler and a Gold Cup horses in the same season but Mullins has a track record for being proved right (Black Hercules for the JLT as a quick example) and it's impossible to knock him overall.

I've backed FO with WH for this race (boosted to 22/1). I'm not quite sure I fancy him for any race at this rate but the price will be gone by the morning. Plus he will either win / run well in the Cleeve to suggest he has a strong chance in this race or anything less then I cannot see them taking him to the festival, instead skipping it for Aintree and maybe Punchestwon again, so money back. I cannot in any way see a horse who has had 2 disappointing chase runs now, line up over hurdles on Trials day 6 weeks before the festival only to then switch back to fences again for either the JLT or the RSA at a trip over fences he has never ran over...that said based on Tizzard this season it appears logic may have gone out the window...

[Robbante]

Can’t see him doing anything in the the cleeve. Happy to be proved wrong as I’d like to see him shine but I’m not convinced he wants 3 miles over hurdles, or that he’s up to that level yet. After the debacle over 2 miles they should have put him away at home, gradually built up his confidence again over fences and gone for a warm up over 2m 4 in Feb before taking in the JLT. Instead they wheeled him out soon after, and are now throwing him over hurdles at the top level over a distance he’s never run before. Then they’ll maybe switch him back to fences again for the festival. Just a shambles

[Vautour]

This is quite frankly embarrassing.

After Cheltenham when he ran well up the hill v Movewiththetimes - "he's go the speed for 2 and the stamina for 3" having looked liked a 2 and a half miler.
Runs him at Sandown over 2 and then he immediately can only be a 3 miler having run no race.
Brings him back to Ascot probably far too soon in a 2 and a half mile where he only just loses against Benator who is I think about 5th in the betting for the Jlt and given his jumping and how quickly it came after Sandown was not the absolute worst - he says he must go RSA.
Now he's reverting to hurdles to look after him.

Completely mental! If he said it was because he can't jump and they have schooled him excessively with no improvement I could understand it but this just seems utterly clueless since he is still saying there is a chance to revert to fences!

[Scooby91]

Completely agree. Huge question marks over Tizzard after the season so far. I like the man and really liked his boldness in some of his decisions last year but he has so far had a shocker this year and you have to raise the question how he has handled the increase in top class horses in the yard - the first time he's had this many top class horses all at once. Questionable calls:

- The handling of Finians Oscar
- The handling of Vison des Flos (beat Hollowgraphic, Rapid Escape and Early Doors at Punchestown but was then thrown in the deep end in two grade 2 races rather than ease him in)
- Fox Norton - again another horse who has been chopping and changing between 2m-3m
- Public knocking of Bryan Cooper
- Thistlecrack - should never have rushed him back so soon after a tendon injury (many decent judges were pretty amazed when they thought he could be back for it, albeit he did and ran ok in 4th) - a softer recovery may have helped his longevity?

Willie Mullins is known for switching horses targets around and making some odd decisions, and Yorkhill still raises question marks how he could be considered a Champion Hurdler and a Gold Cup horses in the same season but Mullins has a track record for being proved right (Black Hercules for the JLT as a quick example) and it's impossible to knock him overall.

I've backed FO with WH for this race (boosted to 22/1). I'm not quite sure I fancy him for any race at this rate but the price will be gone by the morning. Plus he will either win / run well in the Cleeve to suggest he has a strong chance in this race or anything less then I cannot see them taking him to the festival, instead skipping it for Aintree and maybe Punchestwon again, so money back. I cannot in any way see a horse who has had 2 disappointing chase runs now, line up over hurdles on Trials day 6 weeks before the festival only to then switch back to fences again for either the JLT or the RSA at a trip over fences he has never ran over...that said based on Tizzard this season it appears logic may have gone out the window...

If I was munir I'd be seriously tempted to run footpad in the jlt now. Or even petit mouchoir for giggi.
Looks an extremely weak race now.

[Scooby91]

This is quite frankly embarrassing.

After Cheltenham when he ran well up the hill v Movewiththetimes - "he's go the speed for 2 and the stamina for 3" having looked liked a 2 and a half miler.
Runs him at Sandown over 2 and then he immediately can only be a 3 miler having run no race.
Brings him back to Ascot probably far too soon in a 2 and a half mile where he only just loses against Benator who is I think about 5th in the betting for the Jlt and given his jumping and how quickly it came after Sandown was not the absolute worst - he says he must go RSA.
Now he's reverting to hurdles to look after him.

Completely mental! If he said it was because he can't jump and they have schooled him excessively with no improvement I could understand it but this just seems utterly clueless since he is still saying there is a chance to revert to fences!

Benatar will not be far away at all. Wouldn't be suorised at all if he won.

[Tenty]

Barcardys for this race?

In different start to his chasing career. Mullins short of staying hurdlers with concerns over Penhill and unfortunately no Nichols anymore.

[Can't Catch Me]

Barcardys for this race?

In different start to his chasing career. Mullins short of staying hurdlers with concerns over Penhill and unfortunately no Nichols anymore.

Think he gave Penhill a positive bulletin the other day.

[jono]

Penhill had a positive update from Mullins in Monday's RP...

penhill is back in training and is in great form.
His main aim is the Stayers Hurdle at Cheltenham and then he'll go onto the Punchestown Festival

[Scooby91]

Barcardys for this race?

In different start to his chasing career. Mullins short of staying hurdlers with concerns over Penhill and unfortunately no Nichols anymore.

Think it's unlikely but Every one will be considering jlt now. Monalee. The storyteller. Invitation only. Petit mouchoir. Benatar modus yanworth
I'd run monalee here for sure. Wouldn't be suprised one bit of he goes here.


***** I thought I was in the jlt thread

[Can't Catch Me]

Think it's unlikely but Every one will be considering jlt now. Monalee. The storyteller. Invitation only. Petit mouchoir. Benatar modus yanworth
I'd run monalee here for sure. Wouldn't be suprised one bit of he goes here.


***** I thought I was in the jlt thread

had me vexed then!

[robith]

Recall about a week or so ago I saw one of the Tizzards (Joe I think) claiming the form of Cue Card's 2nd at Haydock behind BDM had been seriously franked and I thought they were losing the plot.

Looks like it was just a starter

[Kevloaf]

I'm so frustrated with myself that I'll have ended up backing Finian's Oscar so many times for a horse that I didn't fancy AT ALL last season.

Somehow because Neon Wolf got injured I've ended up losing money on the Arkle project and despite hashing some potentially life changing savers in the JLT from pre "Arklegate" that now dead in the water!

I am going to check now and I've got a horrible feeling I've got nor staked on FO overall than any other horse.

I'll be really annoyed with myself if I've let that happen. At one stage I've convinced myself he's note talented than he is and its my biggest mistake of the season.

Tough wood, he seems to be the only one so far but I can't hide my disappointment. I've not been a fan of Tizzard EVER either, amateur operation thart seems to have got lucky! Similar to FO this season, I seem to have managed to convince myself they we're too class.