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  • Originally posted by Folski View Post
    Are we sure Footpad is the right one to be on here?
    Hard to answer when you're not having to back at 10/11.

    I think you have to admit he sets the standard. He's be the most vulnerable of the short priced horses based on the known quality of opposition...but he does hold them all.

    I wouldn't lay him at 11/10.

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    • Originally posted by opatcho View Post
      Nope. I think Footpad should be in the JLT

      As much as I don’t like to say this, but Sceau Royale performance at sandown stands out. Not keen connections taking him to Doncaster... but think the early pace will set this up for him
      What makes you think that opatcho?
      His hurdles form?
      IMO he's already left his hurdles form behind (which was a decent enough level) ... and he's shown himself to be easily the best 2 mile novice chaser this season. I see no reason to try him over fences up in trip yet?

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      • Brain Power is rated 160 over hurdles which seems lofty. PM rated the same but a proper grade1 winner. Footpad is a better chaser than hurdler but something niggles.

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        • Originally posted by Old Vic View Post
          Brain Power is rated 160 over hurdles which seems lofty. PM rated the same but a proper grade1 winner. Footpad is a better chaser than hurdler but something niggles.
          Not sure if I’m over complicating it, but there’s just something about the horse, it’s previous hurdling form which is niggles me

          He could boot up, but this is one of the most competitive Arkles over witness in the last 5-6 years

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          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
            What makes you think that opatcho?
            His hurdles form?
            IMO he's already left his hurdles form behind (which was a decent enough level) ... and he's shown himself to be easily the best 2 mile novice chaser this season. I see no reason to try him over fences up in trip yet?

            Firstly, I’m not a fan of Triumph horses. They appear to come out of this juvenile season worse off, limited in some way. Does running them competitively as 4 year old stunt their growth / further performance?! Don’t know, there’s hardly few that make it as grade 1 winners

            After the chamoion hurdle, I was keen on Footpad running in the Stayers. This was backed up with him being ended in the stayer race at punchestown... as a result, I went against Footpad in his chase debut thinking he’d need more than 2 miles. I was pleasantly surprised how well he took to fences.
            Having quickly looked at his timings over fences, they haven’t been speculator. I would love to see how Footpad jumps when at pace and under pressure. I thought Waiting patiently was a great jumper but made some mistakes this weekend in a hot race.

            This arkle will have some pace, which is a positive for Footpad as it wont end up as a sprint finish, however.... will he jump as well come March.

            Connections entries him in both the Arkle and JLT, so the extra trip would have been considered

            Niggle for me is, can I see this horse find another gear and pass horses up that hill. Not sure if he has it in him! Other than taking up the lead in his last race, when has he battled to win a race? This is Footpad, he isn’t a Douvan or UDS... can i see Footpad going to the Champion Chase next year and giving Altior a run, not really. As a result I feel his price is on the short side

            Out of the odds on favs, he is the one I can see getting beat

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            • I did take another look at this race tonight.... still given me a headache

              May have to re-read some comments in this post

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              • The dilema is that Mullins compared him favouribly to any other novice chaser he has had.
                You can't put a figure or literal worth to those comments, but I certainly took notice and think it is justifiably factored in to his price.

                I think because he was a juvenile they decided to spend an extra year over hurdles... in a bit of a nothing year, testing out his stamina and so on... and so I think you have to take that in to account when this year he does look a different animal.

                I know I use this a lot, but Sprinter Sacre wasn't the same horse over hurdles that he was over fences... and Footpad seems to be the same kind of horse.... whether or not he goes on to challenge in Champion Chases and so on I wouldn't like to be bold about... but plenty do improve when changing from hurdles to fences and Footpad looks to be just that.

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                • I haven't checked back but, from memory, I think that Willie said that Footpad jumped as well as any novice he'd had rather something more overwhelming.

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                  • Footpad is 3 4 3 on ground with good in the description.

                    That for me is a worry, I watched the last race again and is PM closing hard at the line or is FP being pulled up, or is it a bit of both?

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                    • Originally posted by archie View Post
                      I haven't checked back but, from memory, I think that Willie said that Footpad jumped as well as any novice he'd had rather something more overwhelming.



                      After race at*Leopardstown Sat, 3rd Feb, 2018 (1st)**He did it the hard way and jumped well in front. I think he pecked a bit at the last but it was a very good performance. We didn’t set out to make it but Paul wasn’t happy that there was enough pace so he went on. We are heading for the Arkle unless something else changes. He was fourth in a Champion Hurdle but we thought he would be going two and a half miles or more over fences. The first day he jumped he was very good and when you can jump you can go any trip. Demi Sang made a hash of the first fence and lost his confidence a bit so David tried to get him back jumping and he did. It would be hard to see him competing at Grade 1 level over two miles so he’ll probably have to drop down a Grade or go out in trip. I would prefer to go out in trip but we’ll have a word with Frank (Berry) and JP (McManus) and see what they want to do.**

                      W P MullinsAfter race at*Leopardstown Tue, 26th Dec, 2017 (1st)**He's electric. From the first day at home that I saw him jumping over fences I thought he was the best I've seen for a long while. He was good on his debut at Navan but today he was just awesome. He gained lengths at his fences and he's one to really look forward to. I'd imagine he'd come back here for a similar type of race at the new Dublin Festival of Racing (Leopardstown, February 3-4) and then, hopefully fingers crossed and everything stays right, on to Cheltenham.**



                      W P MullinsAfter race at*Navan Sun, 12th Nov, 2017 (1st)**it was a good performance; he is a very natural jumper at home and he did the same here. He's as good as novice as I've seen schooling at home and I thought it was a good performance for a first time out novice. I'd imagine we'll look at the Drinmore; the way he was going there I'd be happy to stick at two miles but the Drinmore is two-and-a-half so we'll look at that. He has no problem going two-and-a-half as he was a two-and-a-half mile hurdler. He is so well balanced jumping and is a complete natural.**W P Mullins
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                      • Originally posted by Folski View Post
                        Footpad is 3 4 3 on ground with good in the description.

                        That for me is a worry, I watched the last race again and is PM closing hard at the line or is FP being pulled up, or is it a bit of both?
                        Footpad could have won that race on that day. As far as townend wanted to after the last

                        Look at the quality of those races he ran in. They were also over hurdles
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                        • I don't think there will be much between footpad and sceau royal, daryl jacob chose sceau royal over footpad last year and to be fair was finishing on his heels up the straight. Also Ruby's comments about the 'the more juice in the ground the better his chance's ' regarding footpad in last year's champion. ........Now I'm not saying Footpad doesn't handle good ground, he clearly does, and he has improved for fences but he must be a 5lb better horse over soft ground and that might be enough for sceau to get past him, who also has improved for bigger obstacles too....Just an opinion and looking forward to a great race

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                          • Originally posted by Birds Nest View Post
                            I don't think there will be much between footpad and sceau royal, daryl jacob chose sceau royal over footpad last year and to be fair was finishing on his heels up the straight. Also Ruby's comments about the 'the more juice in the ground the better his chance's ' regarding footpad in last year's champion. ........Now I'm not saying Footpad doesn't handle good ground, he clearly does, and he has improved for fences but he must be a 5lb better horse over soft ground and that might be enough for sceau to get past him, who also has improved for bigger obstacles too....Just an opinion and looking forward to a great race
                            With all due respect Jacob diddnt choose sceau royal. He diddnt have the option of footpad.
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                            • Yes that's what I always thought too, jacob was retained by the owners for their English runners, however Jacobs himself recently said that there have been no jockey confirmations regarding the Arkle, which I thought just meant that they were waiting on Ruby but then racing UK published a piece on the Arkle 2 weeks ago saying that Jacobs has the choice of the pair of them,sceau or footpad.

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                              • Originally posted by Birds Nest View Post
                                Yes that's what I always thought too, jacob was retained by the owners for their English runners, however Jacobs himself recently said that there have been no jockey confirmations regarding the Arkle, which I thought just meant that they were waiting on Ruby but then racing UK published a piece on the Arkle 2 weeks ago saying that Jacobs has the choice of the pair of them,sceau or footpad.
                                He said completely the opposite after he rode footpad ireland.
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