Arkle 2018

[Faugheen_Machine]

Agree with all of that Kev.

All of the pundits I've listened to are saying he needs at least 2 miles 4f. I'm interested to see what Kevin Blake makes of it because he often spots things that other pundits don't.

[Geordieboy83]

No one believe he jumps better with a stronger pace though? He looks sketchy going slow, they won't be dawdling in the Arkle though.

he Definitly did look a lot better going over at speed. Seemed very nervous and unsure the slower he went

[The Beast]

Finians no Arkle horse imo , far to slow at his fences. Footpad or Petit would muller him with clear jumping round.

[Istabraq]

I think Finians is a clever horse but he is a horse who makes errors and is slow/deliberate when meeting fence on a poor stride, he doesn't adjust as quickly as other chasers, but he's only seen fences twice in public and has probably learnt alot, he'll be better now than he was a month ago.
If he gets 3 or 4 wrong in an Arkle he might find everything happening a bit too quick for him so for me the JLT is the better option, that said I'm not sure the Arkle will be a vintage renewal and the race cuts up these days so if he targets that he might scare a few away...

[Vanilla]

To win the arkle you need to ping the first few fences and then get into a winning pace.

I fear for finians.

I think the jlt is his best race, but I would not put the mortgage on him.

[fitzy78]

All this talk of a fast run race in the Arkle will benefit FO but do they not run at championship pace in the JLT? He has been described as a future Gold Cup horse so they do know he gets a trip so why on earth would they want to run him and get taken off his feet in the Arkle?! Sizing John got stuffed over 2m by Douvan countless of times and as soon as they stepped him up look what happened. Pocket talk all this Arkle business I Think. Tizzard knows he needs a trip

[BigChaang]

I think Finians is a clever horse but he is a horse who makes errors and is slow/deliberate when meeting fence on a poor stride, he doesn't adjust as quickly as other chasers, but he's only seen fences twice in public and has probably learnt alot, he'll be better now than he was a month ago.
If he gets 3 or 4 wrong in an Arkle he might find everything happening a bit too quick for him so for me the JLT is the better option, that said I'm not sure the Arkle will be a vintage renewal and the race cuts up these days so if he targets that he might scare a few away...

Could'nt put it better myself Istabraq , to me finian's does'nt seem to be comfortable when jumping with other horses upsides
but ., what an engine he has ,. Pocket talking i backed him originally for j.l.t & arkle
so either fine , but was leaning for arkle generally with multiple bets.

[Faugheen_Machine]

All this talk of a fast run race in the Arkle will benefit FO but do they not run at championship pace in the JLT? He has been described as a future Gold Cup horse so they do know he gets a trip so why on earth would they want to run him and get taken off his feet in the Arkle?! Sizing John got stuffed over 2m by Douvan countless of times and as soon as they stepped him up look what happened. Pocket talk all this Arkle business I Think. Tizzard knows he needs a trip

Because the Arkle is far more prestigious than the JLT? This matters to some owners.

Would you rather he ran in the RSA than Arkle Fitzy?

[fitzy78]

Id rather win a race at the festival than get outpaced in the wrong race. A top trainer and a jockey said recently a win is a win especially at the festival. end of the day we don't know whats going to happen. its why we all love this sport

[Scooby91]

Because the Arkle is far more prestigious than the JLT? This matters to some owners.

Would you rather he ran in the RSA than Arkle Fitzy?

If the jockey I chose came back to me and said I can't see any reason why you would drop him in trip, and I have the fav for the jlt. With a strong fav for the arkle. I'd keep my options open to see who lines up, but if the race was today id go jlt.
Its his best trip and looks the likely race to cut up.
Footpad will mop up at 2m in Ireland, go short and I'd be worried.

Would you take any note that the yard sponsors are standout 12s arkle?

[Faugheen_Machine]

I wouldn't take any notice of the sponsors prices to be honest Scooby. If it was Paddy Power I might sit up and take notice.

I'm not denying that 2.5m, in fact probably 3m, is his best trip but the late owner and CT both mentioned the Arkle and that's where I think he'll end up.

Footpad was very good the other day but he's not the kind of horse who will scare off the opposition

[Scooby91]

Hopefully river wylde will prove me wrong but I think northill Harvey will beat him today.

Over the Irish see. I would expect tombstone to beat brelade who's been asked a lot of in a short space of time, but I expect brelade to have him off the bridle.

[Kevloaf]

I wouldn't take any notice of the sponsors prices to be honest Scooby. If it was Paddy Power I might sit up and take notice.

I'm not denying that 2.5m, in fact probably 3m, is his best trip but the late owner and CT both mentioned the Arkle and that's where I think he'll end up.

Footpad was very good the other day but he's not the kind of horse who will scare off the opposition

Especially if tombstone justifies favouritism over Brelade today ...

I don't think Tizzard will mind having a short one to beat either. Cue card contested that very hot looking Arkle and I'm sure they could have gone JLT that year?

[Scooby91]

Especially if tombstone justifies favouritism over Brelade today ...

I don't think Tizzard will mind having a short one to beat either. Cue card contested that very hot looking Arkle and I'm sure they could have gone JLT that year?

Its not tizzard sole decision though I wouldn't have thought. And if it was he'd want to be thinking very hard about getting a win/ choosing the right race for current connections

Tizzard, cooper and connections to make final call

[Kevloaf]

Its not tizzard decision though I wouldn't have thought. And if it was he'd want to be thinking very hard about getting a win/ choosing the right race for current connections

I think it will be an open discussion and Tizzard will have a very big say in it.

They'll think hard about winning an Arkle...

I suppose until we know who takes over ownership and what there intentions are (might not care much for racing at all) it's a bit of a waste of time speculating for now.

What is the next target? Did anyone say?

I think it's more likely Cooper is jocked off than they care what he says haha