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Spot on that imo. Id be very keen for the JLT but wouldn't be my idea of an arkle horse -
Agree with that. If you think that MWTT tied in quite closely with Sceau Royal and North Hill Harvey it was a smart enough performance. All about the potential for him to get better as a jumper and the engine for me - how he picked up again when headed was really something to seeOriginally posted by Scooby91 View PostComment
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No one believe he jumps better with a stronger pace though? He looks sketchy going slow, they won't be dawdling in the Arkle though.Comment
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Possibly - he appears to be a slowish jumper to me on what we've seen so far so would the Arkle put too much pressure on his jumping and not suit? Or would he jump better at pace? Would like to see him pitched into a decent 2m race next and the picture should become a lot clearer. Willougby Court likely to go at a decent clip from the front if in the JLT which would set things up perfectly for him imoOriginally posted by ComplyOrDie View PostComment
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That's how I see it CoD. In both races he has jumped much better when they actually start racing. 2 miles should still be the plan imoOriginally posted by ComplyOrDie View PostComment
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They go a good clip in the jlt, especially vautours race look at the last 3 winners, amazing how many fall / make a mistake 4 out.Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View PostLast edited by Scooby91; 17 November 2017, 03:25 PM.https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/
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Just listened to the trainer interviews and Colin Tizzard mentioned the Arkle again post race, so that's a relief. He also said he'd improve for a fast run race.
Arkle still odds on favourite as his target imoComment
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I look at Faugheen, and yes, I know he's a hurdler, but he has the turn of foot for the 2m game, that's why he is arguably the best 2m hurdler around, you need a turn of foot over 2m, whether jumping hurdles or fences and like Petit Mouchoir, Finian's Oscar has that turn of foot, although this is another reason, that despite what Willie says, Footpad will go for the JLT, but that's for another day ;-)Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View PostComment
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I don't see finians having an immediate turn of foot off a high cruising speed. I see him ridden and gradually finding another gear when there's horses immediately around him. He will stay on to the line but Genuinely think The winner will already be gone.Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
I see it like arctic fire against faugheen in the champion hurdle .
Iv backed him for this and the jlt but i cant see him winning the arkle at all if footpad / petit mouchoir line up.https://scooby91horseracingtips.com/
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Full quote from after the raceOriginally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
"He's very smart this one, it was a messy race again and he was a little bit brave. I knew Barry was going to try and pounce on me if I didn't jump the last.
"He picked up well, though, and he's plenty of boot, he's two out of two (over fences) and can only get better.
"Unfortunately things have dried up for me in Ireland so to get on good horses like this, I'm very lucky."
Tizzard said: "He looked like he'd lost it, but then he jumped the last on a long stride and stayed on beautifully.
"He's opened up more doors today as that was a slowly-run two and a half miles so you would not rule him out of the Arkle.
"He was waiting for it to happen last time, but Bryan was more positive today. He jumped better than at Chepstow. In the end he's won quite cosily and he always has something left in the locker.
"Nothing fazes this horse and afterwards he was hardly blowing. He's a beautiful creature and you've got to remember he was giving 8lb to good horses."
Looking to options at the Festival in March, he said: "The JLT is attractive at this stage, but a fast-run Arkle might as well and that is the more prestigious race. I think with how he quickened up, he could be an Arkle horse but we don't need to decide that yet.
"Everyone connected will love that and it's magical moment for everyone concerned."
Joe Tizzard added: "He's a horse we hope will grow into a Gold Cup horse, but he doesn't need to be running over extreme distances. He showed a cracking turn of foot off the back of two out. It was a lovely performance."Comment
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I think he could well develop into the sort of class horse who could win at either distance at the festival, 2m or 2m 4. Like someone said, would be good to see him in a high class, quickly run 2m race before the festival.Comment
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I don't think he looks, jumps or races like a proper 2 miler. It's possible that the race will fall apart but it's very hard to see him keeping up with horses that competed in the Champion Hurdle.Comment
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I'm wearing Arkle tinted glasses when it comes to Finians but i genuinely think he'll be better in a fast 2 run mile race, until he learns to jump. I know that might sound daft but the slower they go, the worse hes jumping at the moment. When he went a stride quicker he jumped much better.Comment
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You can definitely make the same case for horses like Yorkhill and Thistlecrack....Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
Finian's Oscar is clearly a classy animal, I think that is hard to deny.... I just hope we get to see it.
The thing with him is, he's still a backable price ... I appreciate people fancy Footpad and Petit Mouchoir (as I do to...) but it isn't lke 12/1 is a bad price still!
There aren't many grade 1 hurdlers, unbeaten over fences that are 12/1 ... if he was fav at the moment, of course its a different story.
He'll never be a proper 2 miler in my opinion, will never contest an open company grade 1 over 2m .... but he has the class to compete in it, and some really talented horses can do that...Comment
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Just watched the race back a couple of times and I think I'm back in the confident camp.... I think they'll now know that he can't hot the front before the last... he went past Coo Star Sivola on the bridle and then Barry who was stalking pounced and tried to knick the race.... FO, giving 8 lbs has picked him up easily and I think he would have done over 2m, 2m4 or 3m....
In the Arkle, something will be classier than Coo Star Sivola and give Finian's Oscar a stronger pace to travel at, and he'll be asked to pick up and he will.... I actually believe the same about Altior! Altior gets asked for his effort and gives it and away he goes, but it isn't 'push button acceleration'. I think Altior would be a force over further, but we've never seen it... it is like he's had the opposite start to his career as Altior.
I hope both end up with the same result.... I'm obviously not surprised that he's been cut to 7/1 fav for the JLT ... but being trimmed to 10s for this to me is still well worth a go! The interview after still screams Arkle to me and I do think he could do it. Petit Mouchoir and Footpad are closely matched, but they've only beaten Brelade and Finian's Oscar would be odds on as well to put Brelade away.... so until we get a way to see them matched up, I think too much is being given to the fact that PM and Footpad ran in a CH.... albeit I am not knocking them at all, as I have backed both!
All isn't lost...as it was when I over reacted on first view this afternoon
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