Arkle 2018

[Scooby91]

2 miles of a strong pace up the hill would be perfect. 2m4 in the jlt would be more than fine also. He has plenty of pace he's been running against the best in grade 1 open company over 2miles, he wouldnt be as quick as brain power but he finishes off his races a whole lot bette and you won't see a better round of jumping from a novice than that of footpad today.

[Kevloaf]

Both run over 2m4 on friday

Entries will be out tomorrow for Sunday though won't they? Or is Friday confirmed?

[Scooby91]

Entries will be out tomorrow for Sunday though won't they? Or is Friday confirmed?

They will be.
But tizzard already said that's deffinately where finians going. And henderson always targets that race every year .

[Scooby91]

*/*RACE

Friday, 17 November 2017 - 2:25

(Four day)*at Cheltenham*Steel Plate And Sections Novices' Chase*(2m4½f)

Finian's Oscar will spearhead a strong team of horses trainer Colin Tizzard is preparing for the upcoming November meeting at Cheltenham.

The dual Grade One-winning hurdler impressed on his debut over fences at Chepstow last month and is set to make his first appearance at Prestbury Park in the Steel Plate And Sections Novices' Chase on Friday, November 17.

[Scooby91]

Davy is already jocked up on William Henry and henderson dosent block enter them. And henderson has ran one of his decent 2m4 + novices here every year. Including last years winner 00seven.

[Scooby91]

Geraghty also jocked up on move withthetimes. Who they said would be tried over further after he was held at 2 last time

[ComplyOrDie]

*/*RACE

Friday, 17 November 2017 - 2:25

(Four day)*at Cheltenham*Steel Plate And Sections Novices' Chase*(2m4½f)

Finian's Oscar will spearhead a strong team of horses trainer Colin Tizzard is preparing for the upcoming November meeting at Cheltenham.

The dual Grade One-winning hurdler impressed on his debut over fences at Chepstow last month and is set to make his first appearance at Prestbury Park in the Steel Plate And Sections Novices' Chase on Friday, November 17.

Good little race this could turn about to be, and informative, though Finian's Oscar & MWTT have race fitness advantage over William Henry, assuming all stand their ground and run of course.

If Finian's Oscar tears up this bunch of relatively smart performers there could a change of target on the horizon IMO!

However, as it stands, Petit Mouchoir (should he make it), Finian's Oscar & Footpad all in the Arkle would make this a belter, at the same time ruining a lot of ante post bets for myself haha!

[ComplyOrDie]

2 miles of a strong pace up the hill would be perfect. 2m4 in the jlt would be more than fine also. He has plenty of pace he's been running against the best in grade 1 open company over 2miles, he wouldnt be as quick as brain power but he finishes off his races a whole lot bette and you won't see a better round of jumping from a novice than that of footpad today.

You say this, but remember, he's had as strong a pace to run at at Cheltenham and Leopardstown, if anything quicker over hurdles than he is likely to face over fences already, and failed to win at the top level over 2m, except as a juvenile.

His best form notably is over in France, when tried at intermediate distances, which, personally, was what my JLT bets/opinions were based on. I find it hard to really believe he will win this race, unless PM & FO both don't make it!

That said, you were on at 33/1 and I can't see him being outside the top 3, so assuming you played the E/W market that's a fair bet still.

[Scooby91]

You say this, but remember, he's had as strong a pace to run at at Cheltenham and Leopardstown, if anything quicker over hurdles than he is likely to face over fences already, and failed to win at the top level over 2m, except as a juvenile.

His best form notably is over in France, when tried at intermediate distances, which, personally, was what my JLT bets/opinions were based on. I find it hard to really believe he will win this race, unless PM & FO both don't make it!

That said, you were on at 33/1 and I can't see him being outside the top 3, so assuming you played the E/W market that's a fair bet still.

Just because he's winning a race dosent make it his best form, beating devicebover 2m3 agreed excellent form. But his runs in the spring juvenile the triumph when well held up and made a mistake when already restrained out the back. He then flew home with far too much left to do. His runs behind petit mouchoir and in the champion hurdle are huge in relation to the opposition in this race. And he ran a mighty race in the punchestown stayers over 3 miles where he diddnt stay. He is very consistent and still young he's improving all the time. He jumps a fence excellently. On hurdles he's around 3 lengths behind petit mouchoir, every reason to think he could improve 3 lengths for a summer and the switch to fences. Especially when he will be getting the runs under his belt.

No ew. win only
33s arkle
16s any race. I don't bet by points more on instinct but would work out around. 1pt arkle.
5pts any race
For what it's worth I'd send him arkle and finians jlt on what iv seen so far. But connections may very much disagree with me.

[ComplyOrDie]

Just because he's winning a race dosent make it his best form, beating devicebover 2m3 agreed excellent form. But his runs in the spring juvenile the triumph when well held up and made a mistake when already restrained out the back. He then flew home with far too much left to do. His runs behind petit mouchoir and in the champion hurdle are huge in relation to the opposition in this race. And he ran a mighty race in the punchestown stayers over 3 miles where he diddnt stay. He is very consistent and still young he's improving all the time. He jumps a fence excellently. On hurdles he's around 3 lengths behind petit mouchoir, every reason to think he could improve 3 lengths for a summer and the switch to fences. Especially when he will be getting the runs under his belt.

No ew. win only
33s arkle
16s any race. I don't bet by points more on instinct but would work out around. 1pt arkle.
5pts any race
For what it's worth I'd send him arkle and finians jlt on what iv seen so far. But connections may very much disagree with me.

He just never seems to get up over 2m at the top level for me, can't see that changing now he's over fences, admittedly he jumped extremely well, as well as anything we have seen so far, but I suspect the majority of what we have seen will improve massively in time and on the most part, of the top horses we have seen, Bacardys aside, most have jumped sufficiently well anyway for novices.

[Scooby91]

He just never seems to get up over 2m at the top level for me, can't see that changing now he's over fences, admittedly he jumped extremely well, as well as anything we have seen so far, but I suspect the majority of what we have seen will improve massively in time and on the most part, of the top horses we have seen, Bacardys aside, most have jumped sufficiently well anyway for novices.

I agree with what you are saying but I can't name anything else in the race that "seems to get up at the top level" I'm aware its very bold but from what we have seen so far petit mouchoir and footpad are clear for me. And with the injury doubts/ lack of prep for PM and footpads jumping I'd have him in front of PM and without PM which may or may not be the case on the day, id have footpad a good bit clear of the rest that we have seen so far. Only chacun and brain power would would be of interesting to me personally from future entries which I have covered with a or each at 25/1 the latter And 25/1 72.0 the former. And bleu berry if he went chasing id cover him at a big exchange price.
It's nice and the thoughts behind it all work out for finians going to the arkle but after his runs at aintree and his runs last time out i cant see him Winning an arkle. And iv backed him. For this and any race. Strange prep also running over 2m 4.5 at chelt on Friday.

[The Beast]

Mullins oozed confidence before race , and comment he best jumper of a fence he trained is enough for me to steam in. Firmly believe Finians cant get near him over 2m on likely decent Cheltenham ground. Petit is the only one capable of giving Footpad something to think about , however he not back till new year is a massive negative.

[ComplyOrDie]

Mullins oozed confidence before race , and comment he best jumper of a fence he trained is enough for me to steam in. Firmly believe Finians cant get near him over 2m on likely decent Cheltenham ground. Petit is the only one capable of giving Footpad something to think about , however he not back till new year is a massive negative.

I'm struggling to see how it's a 'massive' negative, given he's run this season already, it's not as if he's coming off a huge lay off. The problem he had wasn't exactly posed as huge by HDB, and for all we know he could be working away at home as we speak without any issues at all. I think the Irish Arkle will be a massive race, especially if PM meets Footpad, can't see it myself as suspect Footpad will still be stepped up in trip anyway, but should they meet and PM doesn't win, he could potentially need the racecourse run, meaning he'll come on for it should they then meet in this race.

There are a lot of 'ifs' and 'buts' in the above statement, but yet again you could say that about 99% of the current horses in any betting market for the festival, infact all 100% as they all have to make it to the festival without issues anyway.

[archie]

Footpad and Petit Mouchoir ran similar debut races I thought. Travelled well, slick jumping and nice turn of foot at the end. Pretty well everything that Finians Oscar wasn't.

[The Beast]

Not many horses win Arkles on back of one or two runs prior , yes it can be done but only by very special ones.