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  • Brain power cut into 14s -16s without even running today yet, becoming an annoying theme for all races.
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    • Brain Power will win comfortably today I’m sure, but even if he pings every fence I’d need to see him run well at Cheltenham before I’d consider backing him for any race there. Beaten 49 lengths in his two starts at the track, which is well below his level of form anywhere else. If I were connections I’d find send him to Cheltenham for festival trials day and if he is again soundly beaten target him at Aintree instead

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      • Originally posted by Robante View Post
        Brain Power will win comfortably today I’m sure, but even if he pings every fence I’d need to see him run well at Cheltenham before I’d consider backing him for any race there. Beaten 49 lengths in his two starts at the track, which is well below his level of form anywhere else. If I were connections I’d find send him to Cheltenham for festival trials day and if he is again soundly beaten target him at Aintree instead
        Heh should win this easily today. I wouldn't personally be all about him wanting a flat track, his 1st run was a seasonal appearance in a strong handicap his 2nd a monstrous leap up in grade, where imo he was to keen.
        Could well be the case though but I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now. One things for sure he won't be 20/1 after this race. A henderson horse the year after altior winning following the same arkle path he sends his best chance every year. Sure to be some followers.
        Had to get him in my book at 20s personally.
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        • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
          Heh should win this easily today. I wouldn't personally be all about him wanting a flat track, his 1st run was a seasonal appearance in a strong handicap his 2nd a monstrous leap up in grade, where imo he was to keen.
          Could well be the case though but I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now. One things for sure he won't be 20/1 after this race. A henderson horse the year after altior winning following the same arkle path he sends his best chance every year. Sure to be some followers.
          Had to get him in my book at 20s personally.
          Have only invested small in him on the exchanges, he makes up none of the main bets for the festival though. I just think he lacks plenty at the very top level, a good, solid horse in his own right but not up there with the best for me. Of course, time will tell and these comments may look rather foolish, given that he hasn't even jumped a fence yet, but the raw talent for me is not up there with the best of them, and a couple of horses would have to not participate in the race first before he was of major interest.

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          • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
            Have only invested small in him on the exchanges, he makes up none of the main bets for the festival though. I just think he lacks plenty at the very top level, a good, solid horse in his own right but not up there with the best for me. Of course, time will tell and these comments may look rather foolish, given that he hasn't even jumped a fence yet, but the raw talent for me is not up there with the best of them, and a couple of horses would have to not participate in the race first before he was of major interest.
            He's not my main bet and can agree with alot of what you said, I'd give him a chance and he's the one who's going to shorten the most. If I diddnt back him now as a cover at 20s I never will. And im pretty deep into the ones at the forefront of the market from an early stage. So I can allow myself to back brain power at this stage being the only danger I can forsee.
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            • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
              He's not my main bet and can agree with alot of what you said, I'd give him a chance and he's the one who's going to shorten the most. If I diddnt back him now as a cover at 20s I never will. And im pretty deep into the ones at the forefront of the market from an early stage. So I can allow myself to back brain power at this stage being the only danger I can forsee.
              Sounds like my situation Scooby

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              • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
                He's not my main bet and can agree with alot of what you said, I'd give him a chance and he's the one who's going to shorten the most. If I diddnt back him now as a cover at 20s I never will. And im pretty deep into the ones at the forefront of the market from an early stage. So I can allow myself to back brain power at this stage being the only danger I can forsee.
                I agree his price will only shorten from now, and you know his target is confirmed, but I can't have every horse in every race covered (i definitely could!) and he's one i'm happy to let go. He was well beaten by North Hill Harvey first time up at Cheltenham last year, having won first time out the previous year, just think it may be the track that doesn't suit. Would be surprised if the winner of the Arkle was any horse other than Finian's Oscar, Footpad or Petit Mouchoir, but still early in the season and a lot can happen

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                • Didn't realise there was still a little bit of 20s so I've taken that as he'll be shortening but I was reluctant and I'll 99% be laying off for my stake back closer to the time as I can't get enthused at all ....

                  Too much credit is given to a champion hurdle run IMO.... it was a weak champion all season and bar the winner ... they all got beat by MTOY, who is solid and likeable but no star.

                  Anyway, that said ... Im on.

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                  • Finians Oscar 20/1 1pt 16/1 0.5 pts
                    any race 8/1 4pts
                    Sceau royal 33/1 1pt
                    Petit mouchoir any race 12/1 2pts 10/1any race 4pts
                    Brain power 20/1 1.5pts
                    Footpad 16/1 any race* 6pts 33s arkle 1pt
                    River wylde 25/1 1pt
                    Chacun pour soi 25/1 70.0 1pt
                    Northill Harvey 33/1 1pt 16/1 1pt

                    Think I have backed them all lol.
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                    • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
                      Finians Oscar 20/1 1pt 16/1 0.5 pts
                      any race 8/1 4pts
                      Sceau royal 33/1 1pt
                      Petit mouchoir any race 12/1 2pts 10/1any race 4pts
                      Brain power 20/1 1.5pts
                      Footpad 16/1 any race* 6pts 33s arkle 1pt
                      River wylde 25/1 1pt
                      Chacun pour soi 25/1 70.0 1pt
                      Northill Harvey 33/1 1pt 16/1 1pt

                      Think I have backed them all lol.
                      That is a smashing book for this race! I personally have only got involved with FO and Petit Mouchoir. Missed the boat on Footpads price, but you're looking in good shape! Well played.

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                      • Originally posted by Scooby91 View Post
                        Finians Oscar 20/1 1pt 16/1 0.5 pts
                        any race 8/1 4pts
                        Sceau royal 33/1 1pt
                        Petit mouchoir any race 12/1 2pts 10/1any race 4pts
                        Brain power 20/1 1.5pts
                        Footpad 16/1 any race* 6pts 33s arkle 1pt
                        River wylde 25/1 1pt
                        Chacun pour soi 25/1 70.0 1pt
                        Northill Harvey 33/1 1pt 16/1 1pt

                        Think I have backed them all lol.
                        That's so similar to mine, even the stakes haha, but switched stakes on FO than footpad... I've got 10pts at 16s FO and only 1 at 25s Footpad and 1 pt any race 16s.

                        And add Shantou Flyer

                        Prefer yours at the moment ever so slightly but I'm not going to get off the FO bandwagon
                        Last edited by Kevloaf; 27 November 2017, 11:34 AM.

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                        • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                          That's so similar to mine, even the stakes haha, but switched stakes on FO than footpad... I've got 10pts at 16s TO and only 1 at 25s Footpad and 1 pt any race 16s.

                          And add Shantou Flyer

                          Prefer yours at the moment ever so slightly but I'm not going to get off the FO bandwagon

                          Alot can happen between now and then but touch wood brain power wins today and we should be both be able to sit back relax and watch the race unfold. Hopefully petit mouchoir makes it to the arkle trial in feb as if one of the 2 wins easy the other could well step up and go for the jlt, it's all possible.
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                          • ..... so that 99% of laying off Brain Power has just reduced haha......

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                            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                              ..... so that 99% of laying off Brain Power has just reduced haha......
                              Fair effort on chase debut, makes me nervous and indeed looked as though David Mullins was nervous too the way he took some of them, but hard not to be impressed.

                              Pretty smart from Henderson sending him to Kempton though, clearly he knows the horse is fresh and very keen, what better way to start than on a nice flat track. Be a different story as season progresses I'm sure of that.

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                              • Not bad that. Had another pt at 12/1 And that will do me for the race.
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