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  • Originally posted by Garrison Savannah View Post
    Kev are you not worried by FO's jumping technique? Based on their last runs I think PM would take many lengths out of FO over the course of a 2 mile race. Of course FO is entitled to improve, but I don't think it's a certainty?
    I think FO jumping will improve significantly with a quicker pace, dont know the sectionals but it certainly didnt look like they went quick.

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    • If all the ones that you guys are tipping to run in the Arkle because "it's a weak race" actually turn up, it could be a very hot race indeed even without the ex-French.

      For me, Ballyandy and MWTT were decent handicap hurdlers and I'd expect them to make decent handicap chasers.

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      • Originally posted by archie View Post
        If all the ones that you guys are tipping to run in the Arkle because "it's a weak race" actually turn up, it could be a very hot race indeed even without the ex-French.

        For me, Ballyandy and MWTT were decent handicap hurdlers and I'd expect them to make decent handicap chasers.
        Ballyandy won the Champion Bumper and was a very decent fourth in last seasons Supreme. Possibly better than a handicapper?

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        • Originally posted by archie View Post
          If all the ones that you guys are tipping to run in the Arkle because "it's a weak race" actually turn up, it could be a very hot race indeed even without the ex-French.

          For me, Ballyandy and MWTT were decent handicap hurdlers and I'd expect them to make decent handicap chasers.
          Haha I disagree Archie, the only way it becomes a hot race is if a lot of them improve for jumping a fence, which IMO, I don't see many of them doing, other than that and on all known form over hurdles PM is the one to beat. The only reason Finian's Oscar is being put up a lot is on the basis that he is the most lightly raced of the potential improvers, and had a big reputation, especially as one to go over fences, compared with many of the other potential runners, don't get me wrong, he done nothing wrong over hurdles either, which can only enhance his claims.

          For all that Sceau Royal may represent some kind of value to some I do think he'll massively struggle to compete with the horses at the head of the market currently, PM has him covered quite easily on hurdles form, likewise for Brain Power too.

          If I had to give one a shout, although I think the trip may be too short for him, and likely a JLT pop is on the cards instead, but it would be Footpad. At least he's managed to get close to PM over hurdles.

          We can, unfortunately, only go on hurdles form as a basis to start our bets, if we choose to bet this early of course, and until they jump a fence in public, unless you are 'in the know'.

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          • Originally posted by Garrison Savannah View Post
            Kev are you not worried by FO's jumping technique? Based on their last runs I think PM would take many lengths out of FO over the course of a 2 mile race. Of course FO is entitled to improve, but I don't think it's a certainty?
            Worried in terms of him winning the race, yes. Although I did think he'll get better as has been suggested.

            I think he's a shoe-in to run here, which is why I'm so keen at the odds. If he was 6/1 in this race I'd be against him.

            I have already got petit Mouchoir covered and agree he looks the one to beat ...

            Trading out on Finians might be a consideration but I'm looking at a profit regardless of which one wins.

            I've waffled a bit, in short, I don't think Finians Oscar is a good thing for the race, I do think he Will be a huge player though and I do think he will run here

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            • Originally posted by Innoko View Post
              Ballyandy won the Champion Bumper and was a very decent fourth in last seasons Supreme. Possibly better than a handicapper?
              Ballyandy failed to win a novice hurdle and arguably won the Bumper because he was the most mature so had/has less improvement in him than his contemporaries.
              MWTT is a different sort and could improve but I wouldn't be backing him until he'd produced some evidence.

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              • Well....neither of them will be challenging the market principles IMO based on that performance alone!

                That said, at least MWTT can improve from his debut, no excuses for Sceau Royal, having his second start especially as North Hill Harvey was having his debut over fences.
                Last edited by ComplyOrDie; 27 October 2017, 02:47 PM.

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                • Thought Sceau ran well and off levels would of been a nice winner. With a really fast pace in the Arkle (if he gets there) I think it will suit him far better. As i said before defeat today running well isnt going to deter me. Think he still has a nice ew chance, hopefully he gets there come March.

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                  • MWTT surely bred to go further?

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                    • It must be recency bias, but I see Jacob losing in a battle so much more than I see anyone else.

                      Last off the bridle and ahead after the last

                      I don't think Finians Oscar / Petit Mouchoir / Melon would have struggled to win today. There for the taking!

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                      • Originally posted by billymag View Post
                        Thought Sceau ran well and off levels would of been a nice winner. With a really fast pace in the Arkle (if he gets there) I think it will suit him far better. As i said before defeat today running well isnt going to deter me. Think he still has a nice ew chance, hopefully he gets there come March.
                        I thought Sceau Royal ran well too but I would liked to have seen Daryl make more use of him. It's all a learning experience though, and he'll have learnt plenty there.

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                        • Originally posted by archie View Post
                          MWTT surely bred to go further?
                          He is and that was causing me a dilemma with this horse. Travelled great over 2 miles last year but you just don't get Presenting progeny winning the big races over 2miles.

                          Sometimes I need to listen to my own advice
                          Last edited by JackieMoon33; 27 October 2017, 04:31 PM.

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                          • watched full race three times , convinced we didnt see NO Arkle winner today. Dont think any will even place , just my opinion.

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                            • Petit Mouchoir out until 2018 I just hope they put him away and he somehow makes it to Cheltenham. Expected return is February, so could make it in time!

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                              • Dual Grade One-winning hurdler and Arkle Trophy favourite Petit Mouchoir is set for a spell on the sidelines after suffering a setback.

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                                Saturday 28 October 2017News

                                Dual Grade One-winning hurdler and Arkle Trophy favourite Petit Mouchoir is set for a spell on the sidelines after suffering a setback.

                                Henry de Bromhead's charge won both the Ryanair Hurdle and the Irish Champion Hurdle at Leopardstown last season before finishing third in the Champion Hurdle at Cheltenham.

                                He made an impressive start to his career over fences at Punchestown earlier this month and is a best priced 8-1 market-leader for the Arkle at Prestbury Park next March.

                                However, he may not return to competitive action until the Irish Arkle at Leopardstown in early February.

                                De Bromhead said: " Unfortunately he is going be out until after Christmas as he has just had a little setback. We just found that out in the last couple of days.

                                "It is a bit of a shame but we're aiming to have him back for the Irish Arkle at Leopardstown at the new Champions Weekend there.

                                "Hopefully it is only a minor setback. He has just had an issue with a joint. We've tidied it up and the vet is happy with it.

                                "We were lucky to spot it and it's onwards and upwards now."
                                Last edited by Scooby91; 28 October 2017, 03:46 PM.
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