Most wide open Cheltenham for years.

[Liam301287]

This is becoming so wide open this year with all these injuries. Maybe I'm a jinx with all these horses not running. Now Thistlecrack out.

[ryanh97]

Very wide open. Supreme, CH, GC all wide open now

[Liam301287]

Must of lost 40 or 50 quid already with this news had Thistlecrack in a lot a trebles and lucky 31s and accumulator etc.

[loveracing]

Must of lost 40 or 50 quid already with this news had Thistlecrack in a lot a trebles and lucky 31s and accumulator etc.

Sad to hear this Liam.

I think in the future we should start looking into different angles. Just because WM has had nothing but bad luck with his hot pots, it doesn't mean he won't bang in a coupe of big priced winners. I can see this happening this year and afterwards we will be saying "I wish I saw that coming".

So lets try to filter down his outsider chances / price plots?

[Liam301287]

Think most of us are already down this year before it starts. Like some people have said least we can look at the future stars for the next few years or so this year. So not that down about it

[loveracing]

Think most of us are already down this year before it starts. Like some people have said least we can look at the future stars for the next few years or so this year. So not that down about it

I am actually quite lucky this year by playing it safe. I have only lost a total of 10pts with AP bets on Robin Roe and Min. Where as last year I was down excess of 800pts come the first day.

[Liam301287]

On singles I not done that much few big prices but not huge amount on them after last year. Got a few at 25 and 20's in Carter McKay but most on one bet on him is £15 just to win and a few small 5 and £10 stake on him to and Wholestone 20's albert Bartlett and 14's on Neon Wolf Neptune. But I was just checking oddschecker a minute ago and Deafh Duty was on the drift in the Albert maybe he heading to the Neptune.

[loveracing]

On singles I not done that much few big prices but huge amount on them after last year. Got a few at 25 and 20's in Carter McKay and Wholestone and 14's on Neon Wolf but I was just checking oddschecker a minute ago and Deafh Duty was on the drift in the Albert maybe he heading to the Neptune.

The thing with nice early prices is the horse(s) still needs to show up and also still needs to win. I would much rather take 1/3 of the price on the day and double him up with a banker.

I have learnt anything can happen to the lead up. Another horse can bolt up and become favourite, or worst case is injury - like now.

[loveracing]

We should all start recording our AP profits & losses after the fest to see if AP betting actually worth it.

[finch]

Sad to hear this Liam.

I think in the future we should start looking into different angles. Just because WM has had nothing but bad luck with his hot pots, it doesn't mean he won't bang in a coupe of big priced winners. I can see this happening this year and afterwards we will be saying "I wish I saw that coming".

So lets try to filter down his outsider chances / price plots?

The recent years have seen Mullins get his winners on the board early. I can see that being a bit different this year with a few of his coming Thursday and Friday, Yorkhill, Shaneshill, Airlie Beach, Bapaume, Penhill, Djakadam, Chacun Pour Soi to name a few.

[benkneale03]

Sad to hear this Liam.

I think in the future we should start looking into different angles. Just because WM has had nothing but bad luck with his hot pots, it doesn't mean he won't bang in a coupe of big priced winners. I can see this happening this year and afterwards we will be saying "I wish I saw that coming".

So lets try to filter down his outsider chances / price plots?

Agree with this and I think Childrens list is a prime candidate for one of theirs to go under the radar and win at a price. This has won one of 2 chase runs so far after not turning up on it's chase debut this season and we haven't even been able to see how the form is with Edwulf coming down early on Sunday (pulled clear of rest just behind CL). There's been murmurs of Edwulf being handy and was backed in places for the 4-miler when O'connor was jocked up for Saturday and it's worth remembering this CL looked their number 1 (based on jockey bookings) in the Martin pipe race last year - the race they like to go for with their better chasers in the making. It even took in Aintree and Punchestown's end of season festivals so i'm suspicious that it's going to be a much better chaser than those last hurdle efforts.

Mullins has had some disappointing efforts from his staying novice chasers lately such as bellshill, bleu et rouge, haymount and briar hill so it wouldn't surprise me to see Ruby ending up in this which would automatically see these 33/1 prices halved. 40/1 available with lads with the extra risk without NRNB.

[loveracing]

Your right ben, need to keep tabs on CL.

Others I like are Renneti, Saturnas and Bleu Et Rouge. BER jumping can't be as bad as this?

[finch]

Agree with this and I think Childrens list is a prime candidate for one of theirs to go under the radar and win at a price. This has won one of 2 chase runs so far after not turning up on it's chase debut this season and we haven't even been able to see how the form is with Edwulf coming down early on Sunday (pulled clear of rest just behind CL). There's been murmurs of Edwulf being handy and was backed in places for the 4-miler when O'connor was jocked up for Saturday and it's worth remembering this CL looked their number 1 (based on jockey bookings) in the Martin pipe race last year - the race they like to go for with their better chasers in the making. It even took in Aintree and Punchestown's end of season festivals so i'm suspicious that it's going to be a much better chaser than those last hurdle efforts.

Mullins has had some disappointing efforts from his staying novice chasers lately such as bellshill, bleu et rouge, haymount and briar hill so it wouldn't surprise me to see Ruby ending up in this which would automatically see these 33/1 prices halved. 40/1 available with lads with the extra risk without NRNB.

Where are you thinking this will end up benk? NH Chase or RSA? Found it interesting from a breeding point of view, by Presenting and a half brother to Schindler's Hunt who ran well in multiple festival races. If I remember rightly though was better over an intermediate trip. Looked to love the 3 miles + when beating Edwulf last time out though Worth a go at those prices NRNB

[Faugheen_Machine]

We should all start recording our AP profits & losses after the fest to see if AP betting actually worth it.

It's definitely worth doing if you don't already do it. Every bet I have is logged in a spreadsheet and I can filter it to see how I'm doing on a variety of different things, e.g. multiples, ante post, sports etc.

[loveracing]

It's definitely worth doing if you don't already do it. Every bet I have is logged in a spreadsheet and I can filter it to see how I'm doing on a variety of different things, e.g. multiples, ante post, sports etc.

F_M, if the spreadsheet works well, could it be worth you sharing the template with FJ members?