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Cheltenham Festival Handicaps

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  • Irish independent says Mall Dini gets 143 which is Ok for Kim Muir? Typically I've backed for ultima..

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    • Mall Dini looks a serious plot doesn't it.

      What about Hargam too? Has been as high as 157, and now down to 140. Have taken the 33/1 NRNB for the County.

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      • Originally posted by Vanilla View Post
        Has anyone heard if Velvet Maker will be going to cheltenham?
        dont know where VM is going until the entries come out next week.

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        • cwright 23 that was the horse I thought handicap straight away and wrote down after the racing on Sunday. Looked like a horse that was there to get a mark by leading from the front. Interesting which festival he turns up at.

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          • I'm amazed Mall Dini only got 143. This puts him right in the mix - Davey Russell's ride in the Ultima would be my idea of where he goes.

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            • Originally posted by TheRowebot View Post
              Irish independent says Mall Dini gets 143 which is Ok for Kim Muir? Typically I've backed for ultima..
              He has an Irish rating of 142 and no English rating yet so he could still be above the 145 ceiling for the Kim Muir. Until the entries are out you won't know his fate.

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              • Originally posted by TheRowebot View Post
                Irish independent says Mall Dini gets 143 which is Ok for Kim Muir? Typically I've backed for ultima..
                You're safe - if MD is fit and well he runs in the Ultima.

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                • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
                  He has an Irish rating of 142 and no English rating yet so he could still be above the 145 ceiling for the Kim Muir. Until the entries are out you won't know his fate.
                  "Last year's Festival winner Mall Dini has gotten a mark of 143 which will get him into the Fulke Walwyn Kim Muir, the Irish Independent understands, though he has other options too."

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                  • Originally posted by TheRowebot View Post
                    "Last year's Festival winner Mall Dini has gotten a mark of 143 which will get him into the Fulke Walwyn Kim Muir, the Irish Independent understands, though he has other options too."
                    Strange that they know before the entries and weights have been confirmed......

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                    • Ask Matt Chapman, he has Phil Smith on at the races in 5mins..

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                      • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
                        Strange that they know before the entries and weights have been confirmed......
                        Very... you'd in the first instance have to assume the paper have got it wrong? Or am I being very naive?

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                        • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                          Very... you'd in the first instance have to assume the paper have got it wrong? Or am I being very naive?
                          If the Irish papers are anything like the English papers then it's odd on they've made it up :-)

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                          • I genuinely can't decide which race for Mall Dini which is annoying as would like to get stuck into him now. What makes you think Ultima rather than Kim Muir FM?

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                            • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post
                              I genuinely can't decide which race for Mall Dini which is annoying as would like to get stuck into him now. What makes you think Ultima rather than Kim Muir FM?
                              The jockey. Davey Russell always rides this horse and gets on with him very well indeed. I doubt they'd want to risk having an amateur on board.

                              I think Mall Dini had an entry in England so that's how they know his rating - might be wrong though.

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                              • Originally posted by TheRowebot View Post
                                Ask Matt Chapman, he has Phil Smith on at the races in 5mins..
                                Ask the handicapper is great and the two produce brilliant debate.
                                However as a Matt Chapman defender I was really really disappointed he didn’t push Phil more on the crafty butcher situation.
                                Every time Phil comes on he defends his decision to raise Irish horses in the handicap. He states that the Irish handicapper does a great job for Irish handicaps but the scale used is not in sync with Britain so he needs to raise the Irish horses to bring it in line. I’ve no real problem with that if the scale is off. However what he done with the crafty butcher was disgusting. To prevent the horse creeping in at the bottom of the handicap for the Kim Muir he lowered the horse a few pounds (3 I think) to make sure he couldn’t get in. Obviously the crafty butcher would have had a huge chance off bottom weight. Phils attitude was basically – if they don’t like it run him again before the festival weights are announced and i’ll judge it again. They shouldn’t have had to do that – they most likely wanted the horse fresh for the festival instead of running a few weeks beforehand somewhere on poor ground. Also if he goes out and wins on this mark which is lower than it should be he’ll go up quite a bit in the handicap and no longer be close to the bottom weight.
                                Phil has basically stuck up a big you are not welcome sign for connections to this horse and its disgusting. Matt didn’t do his job/research in not grilling him more on this one

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