2017 Bumper

[Kevloaf]

Always difficult when to know if the value has gone. I felt frustrated when I'd missed 20s when Billy first put getabird up and felt silly taking 12s. Now people are taking 5s on the basis he'll shorten again which he may/probably will do as CCM suggests!

Easy for me to say now as I'm on at the middle price but I wouldn't be rushing to take a single figure price as value but then if he did go off 2/1 you'd kick yourself?

He has shortened and shortened without running and as a general rule maybe a good idea to be wary of that imho

[Faugheen_Machine]

Getabirds bumper win was good but I feel he is priced up on his owners reputation as much as anything. Willie has a great record in the bumper but his last two winners have been with the supposed second or third string (Champagne Fever, Briar Hill). Battlefield almost won for him last year and he was 20/1+

It's not a race I'd want to be taking short odds on. I'd be delighted with some of the vouchers you all have on him though.

[Leman14]

I'm well covered in this with Ballyward, Carter McKay and Western Ryder at decent double figure prices, but may throw a Free Bet at Getabird when my latest footy multiple with Lads hits the bar... (quite a regular occurrence!)

[Kevloaf]

Almost backed Ballyward then based on him being 14s in a place and 8s in another... but just a little concern that his debut was over 2m4f with Cheltenham being the aim. Some (very) quick looking through the form of the last couple of winners (MR, Ballyandy) and Battleford I saw non of them raced over 16f prior to the race.

Before I delve any deeper, is that something that is uncommon/a worry?

[Faugheen_Machine]

A 2m 4f bumper is uncommon but the champion bumper is often won by staying types. Briar Hill being a prime example.

[Kevloaf]

Thanks. I suppose if you know he gets further the instructions are simple... make it a test? Should be prominent throughout the race and at least hold on for a place? Unless completely out classed.

[Faugheen_Machine]

The big plus in my opinion is your likely to have Ruby on board, who is great at front running round Cheltenham if that's what is required.

[DeeBee]

The big plus in my opinion is your likely to have Ruby on board, who is great at front running round Cheltenham if that's what is required.

Who is considered the yards number 1 when it comes to bumpers? Ruby or Patrick? If Ruby gets the pick can't see him being on anything but Getabird

[Faugheen_Machine]

Patrick gets the pick of the bumper horses.

[Faugheen_Machine]

Ruby's last 5 rides in the Bumper have finished in the following positions, at these prices:

2016: 3rd 16/1
2015: 10th 14/1 (bellshill)
2014: 2nd 7/2
2013: 1st 25/1
2012: 3rd 12/1

Patricks rides have finished in the following places
2016: 12th 10/1 (Augusta Kate was ridden by Townsend)
2015: PU 7/1
2014: 4th 13/2
2013: 8th 9/1
2012: 1st 16/1 (champagne fever)

Not a bad record for Ruby, and certainly no negative that he doesn't get first pick.

[Kevloaf]

That is a smashing record really for Ruby. Think Patrick picks the wrong one on purpose or just gets out classed?

[Can't Catch Me]

I've a feeling Patrick isn't the best judge myself.

[Faugheen_Machine]

Or the best rider?!

[Can't Catch Me]

Haha. Yes... nor that :o

[theporge]

Hey folks, a question if I may. How does a Listed bumper in England match up to a regular Irish bumper with regards to the festival do you think? Going through the bumper at the moment looking for an angle and keep coming back to Western Rider of Warren Greatrex who has finished 2nd then 1st in Listed bumpers in his last two races. 25/1 looks a bit big to me.