2017 Mares Hurdle

[Old Vic]

Not sure where this belonds but as VVM is favourite for this i'll stick it here. Willie thinks she might have a cold coming on...

"It was probably one of her worst performances. She might have had a cough or cold coming on, but Paul (Townend) said she was never travelling. She jumped the last two hurdles and I'd say it was just her bravery that won it for her."

Could it leave a mark ?

[ryanh97]

Im not sure OV. Willie didnt say and im not sure how a cold can affect a horse. I guess theres worse things to happen but i'd rather her not have had one if I was on

[Kevloaf]

Very interesting that today on RUK Ruby mentioned VVM for the Mares "She'll need to improve on that (Doncaster run) in the Mares".
He also said on The Opening Show that he thinks she'll "go to the mares because it is the race she'd have the best chance of winning" because "I want to ride as many winners as I can".

Patrick Mullins on the RP CC podcast also said VVM "Obviously, I'd imagine she goes for the mares, I don't see why she'd go for the Champion Chase"

HOWEVER, PP are 2/1 (Betunfair are 9/4 same company) which is biggest price, and they're shortest for Limini at 7/2 who is also shortening on the exchanges.....


Are we about to be put away? Is something amiss? Am I reading too much in to it? - All signs lead to her defending her crown in this, but the markets aren't backing that up. In fact AJ has shortened?

On Apples JAde actually, does anyone fancy her to win this, or on at a nice price? - WIll be a horror show for me if AJ wins this, having backed her for the CH and Stayers already and with ante-post bets on VVM and Limini!

[Mytentoryours1]

Very interesting that today on RUK Ruby mentioned VVM for the Mares "She'll need to improve on that (Doncaster run) in the Mares".
He also said on The Opening Show that he thinks she'll "go to the mares because it is the race she'd have the best chance of winning" because "I want to ride as many winners as I can".

Patrick Mullins on the RP CC podcast also said VVM "Obviously, I'd imagine she goes for the mares, I don't see why she'd go for the Champion Chase"

HOWEVER, PP are 2/1 (Betunfair are 9/4 same company) which is biggest price, and they're shortest for Limini at 7/2 who is also shortening on the exchanges.....


Are we about to be put away? Is something amiss? Am I reading too much in to it? - All signs lead to her defending her crown in this, but the markets aren't backing that up. In fact AJ has shortened?

On Apples JAde actually, does anyone fancy her to win this, or on at a nice price? - WIll be a horror show for me if AJ wins this, having backed her for the CH and Stayers already and with ante-post bets on VVM and Limini!

I think Apples Jade will win this.

[Old Vic]

Very interesting that today on RUK Ruby mentioned VVM for the Mares "She'll need to improve on that (Doncaster run) in the Mares".
He also said on The Opening Show that he thinks she'll "go to the mares because it is the race she'd have the best chance of winning" because "I want to ride as many winners as I can".

Which means VVM goes to the Mares unless Ruby has another ride that has a better chance of winning. Not every Mullins horse will run in the race it has the best chance of winning unless Ruby is also available to ride.

FWIW I am in the Apples Jade camp at this stage also.

[Ballybeen]

I backed Apples's Jade thinking VVM would be in the stayers and thought I was being smart. If VVM faced AJ in this though I think VVM will gain revenge for Fairyhouse. All talk of VVM for stayers seemed to go completely dead after Shaneshill's win, probably because that will now be Ruby's ride and we know how much sway he has.

[Kevloaf]

I backed Apples's Jade thinking VVM would be in the stayers and thought I was being smart. If VVM faced AJ in this though I think VVM will gain revenge for Fairyhouse. All talk of VVM for stayers seemed to go completely dead after Shaneshill's win, probably because that will now be Ruby's ride and we know how much sway he has.

I think you're right. One of the only big clashes to come before the festival will be Limini vs AJ.... depending on that result I think Mullins/Ruby, even if Limini is beaten, will know EXACTLY where VVM is in comparison. IF there looks to be strong market support, that'll be all I need to get vvery heavily invested in VVM (again)

[Ballybeen]

The Mares listed race at Punchestown is tomorrow with potentially Apple's Jade v Limini.

[Kevloaf]

The Mares listed race at Punchestown is tomorrow with potentially Apple's Jade v Limini.

Expecting a big shake up tomorrow?

If AJ SLAMS Limini, does AJ go for the CH?
If Limini SLAMS AJ, does Limini go CH?

If Limini beats AJ and its close, does VVM go for the CH?
If AJ beats Limini and its close, does that all but confirm VVM for the Mares?

Will connections of Limini/VVM let us know which one is being aimed where?


If I had to guess now, which I don't, I would say that Limini beating AJ would divert VVM to the CH, for Ruby to ride. I think Mullins and Walsh will want to continue their stranglehold on the race and VVM will run unless AJ is decisively beaten by Limini.


I imagine AJ is favourite for tomorrows race, so if AJ beats Limini, they'll get a sighter and any significant market support over the next few weeks for VVM I would take as a positive.

I will LOSE if AJ wins the Mares Hurdle... I have backed her in the CH and don't want to go in again to recover those 'losses'.

Ideal for me, would be AJ to slam limini and go for the CH

All speculation which should get cleared up by tomorrow afternoon, although I won't hold me breath

[KingSprinterSacre]

Jesus that was impressive from Limini. Picked Apples up easy and went past her. Very impressed

[Kevloaf]

I am SO happy with that result.

AJ is winning NOTHING at the festival.... unlucky Gigginstown. That is EXACTLY why you don't take a horse away from Mullins.

Limini or VVM absolute banker material, whichever turns up.

Now that Limini has AJ covered, might as well let VVM have a go in the CH?

[MrMcGoldrick]

Could let Limini take her chance in the champ hdl, getting 7lb, would have to be a player

[cpfcpatriot]

Could let Limini take her chance in the champ hdl, getting 7lb, would have to be a player

Sky still has 20s NRNB 2 minutes after the race. New phone meant I couldn't get my money transferred quick enough from the bank before it dropped to 12!

I really like Limini, but I had so many issues with her today pre-race. Distance, ground, opponent!

[Kevloaf]

Could let Limini take her chance in the champ hdl, getting 7lb, would have to be a player

They'll know who is better out of the two .... I'd guess it'll depend on whether they feel Limini is better at 2m or 2m4f .... VVM seems to be 2m4f as her best trip?


***edit - actually reading back my post yesterday makes sense .... the comment about AJ slamming limini is just in the hope she went CH so I could lay off my stake

[ComplyOrDie]

Well, well, well, that was impressive. Where to from here now though? Mares or CH? What happens to VVM? I probably have more questions than answers after that!