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2017 Stayers Hurdle

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  • COD,
    Isnt Agrapart soft ground dependant??

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    • All known form of Agrapart has been of soft or heavy, he's only ran on ground resembling good twice and looks like he was well beaten both times. I had previously looked at him as 33/1 is a big price for a Betfair hurdle & course winner, but you could only really back him if there was a deluge and it turned soft on the day.

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      • Originally posted by HardyEustace View Post
        All known form of Agrapart has been of soft or heavy, he's only ran on ground resembling good twice and looks like he was well beaten both times. I had previously looked at him as 33/1 is a big price for a Betfair hurdle & course winner, but you could only really back him if there was a deluge and it turned soft on the day.
        His only run on genuine good ground was his UK debut, and considering how he's improved since then that is easily dismissed. His run on Good/Soft was against horses of top calibre, Buveur D'air, Petit Mouchoir, horses that's are top 2 in the Champion Hurdle betting this year, but still only found himself 10 lengths behind these.

        What I actually think is he needs a test, whether that be soft ground over short distances good ground over a stiff 3m.

        We will know more after this weekend but I suspect he'll win and it will be all systems go for the Stayers.

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        • Long Range forecast has put him up which is probably why the money has come today?

          Still some 33/1 NRNB with betfair...

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          • Agrapart is a horse I love but at this stage of his career I'm not convinced 3m is his trip, especially at the top table....

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            • Jezki shortened right up on exchanges so it looks like this is target. I wonder if they were waiting on confirmation that Yanworth was all systems go after his slight setback.

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              • Purely from a UNWIMH standpoint a shame - he's the one unknown in the race for me that could cause the fav some problems

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                • Originally posted by jono View Post
                  Purely from a UNWIMH standpoint a shame - he's the one unknown in the race for me that could cause the fav some problems
                  Better to watch, worse for my bet

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                  • Gutted if Jezki goes for the stayers as I had a little Ante on him in the champion , at least that will give me a bet on the day, got to oppose UNWIMH with something.

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                    • Touched on Agrapart earlier in the week, and just wondering if the step up to 3m will be what is required, over 2m he was always outpaced at some point, his only run (besides his UK debut, which I feel is forgivable) over 2m 4f resulted in a win.

                      I know many think he is ground dependent (soft required) but anyone else feel it may be the trip he needs?

                      I've had 6pts win on him for the Rendlesham this weekend.

                      It just reminds me, and I'm not saying he's as good as him, of Thistlecrack, the step up in trip 'could' be the making of this horse.

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                      • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                        Touched on Agrapart earlier in the week, and just wondering if the step up to 3m will be what is required, over 2m he was always outpaced at some point, his only run (besides his UK debut, which I feel is forgivable) over 2m 4f resulted in a win.

                        I know many think he is ground dependent (soft required) but anyone else feel it may be the trip he needs?

                        I've had 6pts win on him for the Rendlesham this weekend.

                        It just reminds me, and I'm not saying he's as good as him, of Thistlecrack, the step up in trip 'could' be the making of this horse.
                        Wincanton not going to play to Yanworths strengths and interrupted prep - might follow you in.

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                        • Originally posted by mayo View Post
                          Wincanton not going to play to Yanworths strengths and interrupted prep - might follow you in.
                          I was thinking Agrapart goes for the Rendlesham @ Haydock rather than taking on Yanworth @ Wincanton?

                          Hope I'm right as already placed my bets :/

                          Edit: Agrapart confirmed for the Rendlesham
                          Last edited by ComplyOrDie; 17 February 2017, 10:19 AM.

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                          • Erm....got that wrong about Agrapart

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                            • So what do we make of the run by Jezki yesterday?

                              The vibes of going down the Stayers look enhanced but i'm not sure he enhanced his chances in either race really.

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                              • Originally posted by jono View Post
                                So what do we make of the run by Jezki yesterday?

                                The vibes of going down the Stayers look enhanced but i'm not sure he enhanced his chances in either race really.
                                Probably very similar to the Navan run. He got 5lbs then.

                                He got the last wrong but not sure that was the difference. He also flattened the last in his Supreme year.

                                I would think he will go to the stayers.

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